by newera_212 » Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:56 am
sisterray wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 2:21 am
Does anyone know what fraction of a gram of fent might be used just to make one pill? I”m guessing they must’ve been making hundreds of thousands of them and distributing it wholesale to individual dealers. Does the monetary take from that compare to the pill pushing from the last decade, or is it just a substitute to make up the losses from that racket?
I don't know about these crazy Chinese fentanyl analogues and how much stronger (or weaker) they are to medical grade, real Fentanyl - but real Fentanyl is active at the microgram level, not milligram level. Using real pharmacy Oxycodone 30s as the comparison - there's 30 mg of active Oxycodone in those pills (or technically something like 29.99mg) and a few mg consisting of binders, fillers, and dye. There's a huge huge difference between 30 mg of an active ingredient versus 1-2 ug of active ingredient and the margins of error are way too high for regular people who do not have a background in compounding and science in general to be making pills. I definitely wouldn't trust some random asshole from suburban Newark to be handling the process in his garage of whatever.
I'm not sure what the monetary take is because I don't know what people are paying for the fake pills. Eventually $1/mg became the average standard for real opiates and now, I've heard it is even higher in some places due to how infrequently they are being prescribed and all of the new rules. If people are still paying, say ... $30 for 1 of the fake 30's still... the monetary take is going to be much much much higher, because again the primary ingredient is active at 1/1000th of what the real pills are.
I know there's been a lot of deaths off the fake pills but it's frankly surprising there haven't been even more. It's not an exaggeration when people say one little dosage thing handled wrong by the people making them could mean life or death. I'm suspecting that the people willingly using these fake pills have such high tolerances that it doesn't even matter, and the unfortunate deaths come from mostly unwitting users and are accidents.
Lock these guys up. Maybe ADMAX or Guantanamo for at least the first 10 years of their sentence.
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Does anyone know what fraction of a gram of fent might be used just to make one pill? I”m guessing they must’ve been making hundreds of thousands of them and distributing it wholesale to individual dealers. Does the monetary take from that compare to the pill pushing from the last decade, or is it just a substitute to make up the losses from that racket?
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I don't know about these crazy Chinese fentanyl analogues and how much stronger (or weaker) they are to medical grade, real Fentanyl - but real Fentanyl is active at the microgram level, not milligram level. Using real pharmacy Oxycodone 30s as the comparison - there's 30 mg of active Oxycodone in those pills (or technically something like 29.99mg) and a few mg consisting of binders, fillers, and dye. There's a huge huge difference between 30 mg of an active ingredient versus 1-2 ug of active ingredient and the margins of error are way too high for regular people who do not have a background in compounding and science in general to be making pills. I definitely wouldn't trust some random asshole from suburban Newark to be handling the process in his garage of whatever.
I'm not sure what the monetary take is because I don't know what people are paying for the fake pills. Eventually $1/mg became the average standard for real opiates and now, I've heard it is even higher in some places due to how infrequently they are being prescribed and all of the new rules. If people are still paying, say ... $30 for 1 of the fake 30's still... the monetary take is going to be much much much higher, because again the primary ingredient is active at 1/1000th of what the real pills are.
I know there's been a lot of deaths off the fake pills but it's frankly surprising there haven't been even more. It's not an exaggeration when people say one little dosage thing handled wrong by the people making them could mean life or death. I'm suspecting that the people willingly using these fake pills have such high tolerances that it doesn't even matter, and the unfortunate deaths come from mostly unwitting users and are accidents.
Lock these guys up. Maybe ADMAX or Guantanamo for at least the first 10 years of their sentence.