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Re: Joseph Campanella testimony notes (Persico trial)

by Cheech » Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:28 am

TallGuy19 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 6:52 pm What year was Cutolo made?
Per JD


Pre-April 1983
- William 'Wild Bill' Cutolo (34y) (Murdered 1999) [Sponsored by J. DeRoss]

Re: Joseph Campanella testimony notes (Persico trial)

by newera_212 » Thu Jul 28, 2022 9:11 am

B. wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 1:59 am
chin_gigante wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:37 am
Pmac2 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 7:00 pm i think andy russo was acting boss the min he was released in july 1994 till he gets violated on parole then allie boy is acting boss 96 till 99
I did some more thinking about this and there has to be a gap between Russo and Persico. Campanella testified that Persico was introduced as the new Acting Boss at a meeting around 1998. Granted, the timeline could be wrong, but Campanella crucially mentioned that Vincent DeMartino was one of the members present when the introduction happened. DeMartino was incarcerated until November 1997, so that's the earliest it could have possibly happened. Russo however had already been incarcerated since September 1996.

So it seems pretty certain that there was no Acting Boss on the street for at least 14 months, possibly longer.
DiLeonardo said Allie Persico became acting boss after going to the other Families and asking them to recognize his father as official boss after the war. Peter Gotti hesitated but DiLeonardo convinced him to support the Persicos. The timeline would fit what Campanella said, somewhere around 1998 as that's around the time Peter Gotti was starting to run things.
That's interesting. I don't know the timeline but I remember Vitale saying at their infamous 'hotel meeting' after both faction reps for the Colombos left, the remaining families there decided once and for all that they'd support the Persico faction. I wonder if there weren't any Gambinos at that meeting or if they just went along with it but had other ideas

Re: Joseph Campanella testimony notes (Persico trial)

by B. » Thu Jul 28, 2022 1:59 am

chin_gigante wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:37 am
Pmac2 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 7:00 pm i think andy russo was acting boss the min he was released in july 1994 till he gets violated on parole then allie boy is acting boss 96 till 99
I did some more thinking about this and there has to be a gap between Russo and Persico. Campanella testified that Persico was introduced as the new Acting Boss at a meeting around 1998. Granted, the timeline could be wrong, but Campanella crucially mentioned that Vincent DeMartino was one of the members present when the introduction happened. DeMartino was incarcerated until November 1997, so that's the earliest it could have possibly happened. Russo however had already been incarcerated since September 1996.

So it seems pretty certain that there was no Acting Boss on the street for at least 14 months, possibly longer.
DiLeonardo said Allie Persico became acting boss after going to the other Families and asking them to recognize his father as official boss after the war. Peter Gotti hesitated but DiLeonardo convinced him to support the Persicos. The timeline would fit what Campanella said, somewhere around 1998 as that's around the time Peter Gotti was starting to run things.

Re: Joseph Campanella testimony notes (Persico trial)

by nakedturtle » Wed Jul 27, 2022 2:44 pm

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 10:27 am From what I understood,De Martino havent the ok to kill Campanella and once in prison nobody helped Campanella despite kept his mouth shout on the who shot him.
not sure what you meant with havent but this is from deross's wiki

Later in 1999, DeRoss and Persico ordered the murder of Joseph "Joe Campy" Campanella, a Cutolo crew member. Several Persico loyalists ambushed and shot Campanella, but he survived and later became a government informant.

Re: Joseph Campanella testimony notes (Persico trial)

by chin_gigante » Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:37 am

Pmac2 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 7:00 pm i think andy russo was acting boss the min he was released in july 1994 till he gets violated on parole then allie boy is acting boss 96 till 99
I did some more thinking about this and there has to be a gap between Russo and Persico. Campanella testified that Persico was introduced as the new Acting Boss at a meeting around 1998. Granted, the timeline could be wrong, but Campanella crucially mentioned that Vincent DeMartino was one of the members present when the introduction happened. DeMartino was incarcerated until November 1997, so that's the earliest it could have possibly happened. Russo however had already been incarcerated since September 1996.

So it seems pretty certain that there was no Acting Boss on the street for at least 14 months, possibly longer.

Re: Joseph Campanella testimony notes (Persico trial)

by MightyDR » Fri Jul 22, 2022 8:28 pm

Another great breakdown Chin. Any details on the medical fraud that he was involved with?

Re: Joseph Campanella testimony notes (Persico trial)

by Ryan98366 » Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:36 pm

Thanks Chin. Great work as usual

Re: Joseph Campanella testimony notes (Persico trial)

by furiofromnaples » Thu Jul 21, 2022 10:27 am

From what I understood,De Martino havent the ok to kill Campanella and once in prison nobody helped Campanella despite kept his mouth shout on the who shot him.

Re: Joseph Campanella testimony notes (Persico trial)

by OcSleeper » Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:24 am

1983 according to Pogo's list
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=144

Re: Joseph Campanella testimony notes (Persico trial)

by Pmac2 » Wed Jul 20, 2022 7:00 pm

i forgot in was in scarpas files 80 82. believe deross proposed him. i think andy russo was acting boss the min he was released in july 1994 till he gets violated on parole then allie boy is acting boss 96 till 99

Re: Joseph Campanella testimony notes (Persico trial)

by TallGuy19 » Wed Jul 20, 2022 6:52 pm

What year was Cutolo made?

Re: Joseph Campanella testimony notes (Persico trial)

by B. » Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:49 pm

Yeah, Giammona married the daughter of capodecina Frank Castellana and lived in Gravesend.

He's an earlier example of Gambino-connected Sicilians joining the Luccheses. Paolo LoDuca and Vincenzo Napoli are two others. From what Felice has shared, this trend has continued with newer guys from Torretta joining them.

I believe Leo had a son named Antonino / Anthony which could suggest he can be traced to the early boss Antonino Giammona.

Re: Joseph Campanella testimony notes (Persico trial)

by Antiliar » Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:34 pm

B. wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 4:18 pm
JohnnyS wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 6:54 am So Frank Castellano is a made guy with the Gambinos then? Anybody have info on him?
It's actually Frank Castellana, not Castellano, from the same branch as members Francesco and Pete Castellana who were cousins of Paul Castellano. I'd guess Frank is the son of Pete which would mean he was the nephew of murdered Lucchese member Leo Giammona too.

Sounds like he was an associate on record with the Sciandra crew, which makes sense given Sciandra took over the Gambino/Remini crew.
While we're on the tangent of Leo Giammona, it's interesting to note that he could be a descendant of Sicily's earliest known capoprovincia or capo dei capi, Antonino Giammona. He was known to be in this position no later than the mid-1890s. According to Newday, Eustachio "Leo" Giammona was a cousin of Paul Castellano, but per the New York Daily News he was related to Big Paul by marriage. He married Rose Castellano in 1954. He was born to Giovanni and Felicia Giammona on May 25, 1924 in Palermo and killed on June 15, 1988.

Re: Joseph Campanella testimony notes (Persico trial)

by B. » Wed Jul 20, 2022 4:18 pm

JohnnyS wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 6:54 am So Frank Castellano is a made guy with the Gambinos then? Anybody have info on him?
It's actually Frank Castellana, not Castellano, from the same branch as members Francesco and Pete Castellana who were cousins of Paul Castellano. I'd guess Frank is the son of Pete which would mean he was the nephew of murdered Lucchese member Leo Giammona too.

Sounds like he was an associate on record with the Sciandra crew, which makes sense given Sciandra took over the Gambino/Remini crew.

Re: Joseph Campanella testimony notes (Persico trial)

by Hired_Goonz » Wed Jul 20, 2022 7:32 am

Thanks for another great breakdown Chin. This Campanella is a piece of work. So he denied on the stand that he was banging DeMartino's wife, that to me suggests he's probably telling the truth because if he wasn't it would be pretty easy to challenge that by putting the wife on the stand. Sure nobody wants to go on the stand and admit they were cheating on their husband (not sure if they were even still married at that point) but I gotta think if it were true she would be called as a witness. So if it isn't true, I can sort of piece together DeMartino's thought process even from this synopsis of the testimony. Campanella has a history of fucking other men's wives and he had the opportunity when he was picking DeMartino's kid up from school. Did the wife ever invite him in for coffee I wonder? Who knows.

Cutolo has always sounded like he was the real deal whenever anyone who knew him talks about him, and I can't blame him for being pissed off when this dickhead is buying a Benz rather than make any payments on the $300k loan Bill gave him. Interest free too!

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