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by **Newyorkempire** » Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:29 pm

meat-ball wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 11:18 am
Newyorkempire wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 4:40 am
NYNighthawk wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 8:44 pm Basciano should have taken Ben Brafman's advice - he didn't and thought he was smarter. He wasn't. As tough as he thinks he is in the can - I heard he is forced to do some maytaging for the Latin Kings.
I heard you talk about guys getting fucked in prison on Mafia boards because it turns you on. "You heard" lol. Sure.
Totally. Guy was in supermax (where there zero prisoner interaction) until very recently but ‘he heard’.

Then bring into play the mob member's son in Mass. was running the Latin Kings in the Northeast.

by **meat-ball** » Thu Aug 04, 2022 11:18 am

Newyorkempire wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 4:40 am
NYNighthawk wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 8:44 pm Basciano should have taken Ben Brafman's advice - he didn't and thought he was smarter. He wasn't. As tough as he thinks he is in the can - I heard he is forced to do some maytaging for the Latin Kings.
I heard you talk about guys getting fucked in prison on Mafia boards because it turns you on. "You heard" lol. Sure.

Totally. Guy was in supermax (where there zero prisoner interaction) until very recently but ‘he heard’.

by **Pogo The Clown** » Wed Aug 03, 2022 7:29 am

Vining Gorgeous is tossing salads in the can.

Pogo

by **Newyorkempire** » Wed Aug 03, 2022 4:40 am

NYNighthawk wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 8:44 pm Basciano should have taken Ben Brafman's advice - he didn't and thought he was smarter. He wasn't. As tough as he thinks he is in the can - I heard he is forced to do some maytaging for the Latin Kings.

I heard you talk about guys getting fucked in prison on Mafia boards because it turns you on. "You heard" lol. Sure.

by **meat-ball** » Tue Aug 02, 2022 9:06 pm

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 8:03 pm The buck had to stop somewhere.

And Massino made one of the worst decisions in LCN history.
Didnt clip Vitale.
Coppa was first, but Sal flipping was the domino effect and doomed Massino. Joe benching Vitale was his mistake. And he knew it.

Yea this is always a head scratcher; especially when a guys in jail. He’s been alienated and now he’s looking at decades for an organization that doesn’t recognize or support him. I’d be curious to think what he thought would happen. Be pragmatic, support the guy or bury him but don’t leave the guy that knows your entire life story twisting in the wind. Not great managerial thinking here. I’m sure his being family clouded this process.

by **meat-ball** » Tue Aug 02, 2022 8:59 pm

Hired_Goonz wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:37 pm Great info. It's crazy to me that judges will sometimes allow the government to bring up crimes that you haven't been charged with let alone convicted of. "He murdered another guy too. No we never indicted him for it....but a guy we know says he overheard him talking about it in Blimpie's" lol can you imagine you're on trial for your life and they pull stuff like this. I say if a judge allows the government to present crimes you haven't been charged with, the defense should be allowed to make a presentation on past shenanigans and injustices committed by the government.

Amen to this. The fact you can use ‘evidence’ of a crime that you haven’t been convicted of, let alone charged with is terrifying. The burden on the federal government is basically almost nonexistent compared to the state, coupled with the fact you can be charged and jailed for the same crime multiple times should be very scary for everyone. The general attitude is ‘well he probably did something at some point’ therefore the trial by avalanche is going to convict the vast majority of the time.

by **NYNighthawk** » Fri Jul 22, 2022 8:44 pm

Basciano should have taken Ben Brafman's advice - he didn't and thought he was smarter. He wasn't. As tough as he thinks he is in the can - I heard he is forced to do some maytaging for the Latin Kings.

by **Tonyd621** » Tue Jul 19, 2022 8:03 am

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 8:03 pm The buck had to stop somewhere.

And Massino made one of the worst decisions in LCN history.
Didnt clip Vitale.
Coppa was first, but Sal flipping was the domino effect and doomed Massino. Joe benching Vitale was his mistake. And he knew it.

Coppa is a mystery to me... the only crackhead I have ever seen to gain weight it's kind of like a Chinese ppl who own buffets aren't fat..headscratcher

by **JohnnyS** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:08 am

PaddyWhack wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:41 am Does anyone know the back story when Bellomo approached Massino about killing Basciano?

Bellomo told Massino that Basciano was walking around like he was John Gotti. It seems Basciano was pissing the Genovese leaders off and they didnt like the way he conducted himself as a boss.

by **NYNighthawk** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:01 am

PaddyWhack wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:41 am Does anyone know the back story when Bellomo approached Massino about killing Basciano?

Now that would be interesting

by **PaddyWhack** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:41 am

Does anyone know the back story when Bellomo approached Massino about killing Basciano?

by **Pmac2** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:58 am

Geeze that alot of murder on his mind. I read the book on Basciano . He was a money maker. He sold drugs then invested in everything as he got older he seen the money in construction and he's a made guy so why not. He even would put on his boots and a hard hat. He just got caught up in murders and that was his downfall. Had he played it differently he'd probaly still be a boss and a multi millionaire

by **Charlie** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:40 am

People don't remember but the Blue Thunder case was huge news at the time. It was thought to be a slam dunk case with tape recordings and rats placing him at the head of one of the biggest heroin conspiracy in New York. This was the 1990's, guys were being sent away left and right but he got acquitted. What were the odds? Ever since that acquittal, they've had it out for him.

Ben Brafman, who represented him on that case knew that after this the feds would be on his ass and told him "I am not certain you understand what has happened. You have been acquitted in a trial in federal court where you were facing life in prison, this stuff does not happen every day in this building. God smiled on you. Get ouf of this life, go away from New York, sell your stores and your buildings and go have life that is away from the Bronx. You don't have to be Vinny Gorgeous."

As far as murders if we are talking personally pulling the trigger and ordering hits it's in the dozens. Basciano was a drugs guy in the 1980's and 1990's, back then it was a war zone and you didn't last without having to clip a lot of people.

by **chin_gigante** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:45 am

Murders Basciano was involved in:

1987 - Anthony Colangelo
Mid-1990s - Unsub
2001 - Frank Santoro
2004 - Randolph Pizzolo

Attempted murders, murder conspiracies, and murder solicitations:

- David Nunez
- Salvatore Caio
- Nardino Colotto
- Unsub Albanian
- Dominick Martino
- Lynette Ayuso
- Salvatore Vitale
- Frank Coppa, Jr.
- Joseph Lino
- Angelo D'Amico
- Rosemarie D'Amico
- Joseph Bonelli
- Greg Andres
- Patrick DeFilippo
- John Spirito
- Michael Mancuso

by **chin_gigante** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:37 am

Cheech wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 6:04 pm Finally, with respect to the solicitation to kill John Doe #6 (the brother of a made member of the Genovese family), based on a dispute between this individual and Anthony Donato, in which the individual hit Donato, Basciano sought permission to kill the individual from Bonanno family boss Joseph Massino. In hitting Donato, the individual (John Doe #6) violate LCN protocol which prohibits “raising one’s hands” to a member of organized crime. Massino denied Basciano’s request to kill John Doe #6.

Do we know who john doe 6 is?

I think John Doe #6 is Dominick Martino

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