by PolackTony » Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:57 am
Coloboy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:32 am
PolackTony wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:12 pm
Snakes wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:02 pm
PolackTony wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:53 pm
Snakes wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:30 pm
Another possibility is James Samuel "Tar Baby" Cerone (cousin of Jack Cerone and brother of Frank "Skippy" Cerone) and his son James John Cerone.
Good one, forgot about them. The subject of Jack Cerone, Jr, is debatable. Whether or not they ever made him, Jack the Kid, I believe, was definitely involved in the Life.
Another possible case would be the Cozzos. We know that the Feds had Sam "Jelly" Cozzo as a member on at least one list, though the evidence on Jimmy Boy himself is conflicted.
I forgot all about the Cozzos. Jimmy was identified as made in an affidavit submitted by FBI agent Peter Wacks when Cozzo, Dominic Senese (also identified as made), and Joe Talerico (described as an "associate") were ousted from the Teamsters. I know that Red said Cozzo wasn't made but the possibility is there that he was made after Red cooperated.
Thanks for the confirmation on the affidavit. My assumption is that Jimmy was made after Red was off the street as well (and when I spoke with Red about Jimmy, he admitted that he thought that was very well possible).
The possibility of Cozzo not being made is news to me. Isn't the general consensus that he was boss of Grand Ave after Lombardo went away in the 80's? My understanding of the leadership over there was Lombardo>Cozzo>Vena . Seems unlikely given his stature he wasn't a member.
I believe that he was made, but apart from the affidavit that Snakes mentioned, I’m not aware there is specific evidence stating that he was. There were guys in Chicago who you’d think were made, but who weren’t (e.g., the Feds thinking back in the 60s that Infelise was made, but he wasn’t made until the 80s). FWIW, Eboli probably took over from Lombardo, and at that point Cozzo may not have been made yet. Tony Centracchio also probably preceded Vena. Additionally, my take is that we don’t really know for sure if any of these guys were formal captains or if they were just acting for Lombardo; Nick Calabrese, for example, wasn’t even sure if Eboli was a captain at the time that Eboli was present at the Spilotro murders. So, even though I personally do believe that Cozzo was made by the 90s, he may never have officially been a capo.
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Another possibility is James Samuel "Tar Baby" Cerone (cousin of Jack Cerone and brother of Frank "Skippy" Cerone) and his son James John Cerone.
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Good one, forgot about them. The subject of Jack Cerone, Jr, is debatable. Whether or not they ever made him, Jack the Kid, I believe, was definitely involved in the Life.
Another possible case would be the Cozzos. We know that the Feds had Sam "Jelly" Cozzo as a member on at least one list, though the evidence on Jimmy Boy himself is conflicted.
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I forgot all about the Cozzos. Jimmy was identified as made in an affidavit submitted by FBI agent Peter Wacks when Cozzo, Dominic Senese (also identified as made), and Joe Talerico (described as an "associate") were ousted from the Teamsters. I know that Red said Cozzo wasn't made but the possibility is there that he was made after Red cooperated.
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Thanks for the confirmation on the affidavit. My assumption is that Jimmy was made after Red was off the street as well (and when I spoke with Red about Jimmy, he admitted that he thought that was very well possible).
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The possibility of Cozzo not being made is news to me. Isn't the general consensus that he was boss of Grand Ave after Lombardo went away in the 80's? My understanding of the leadership over there was Lombardo>Cozzo>Vena . Seems unlikely given his stature he wasn't a member.
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I believe that he was made, but apart from the affidavit that Snakes mentioned, I’m not aware there is specific evidence stating that he was. There were guys in Chicago who you’d think were made, but who weren’t (e.g., the Feds thinking back in the 60s that Infelise was made, but he wasn’t made until the 80s). FWIW, Eboli probably took over from Lombardo, and at that point Cozzo may not have been made yet. Tony Centracchio also probably preceded Vena. Additionally, my take is that we don’t really know for sure if any of these guys were formal captains or if they were just acting for Lombardo; Nick Calabrese, for example, wasn’t even sure if Eboli was a captain at the time that Eboli was present at the Spilotro murders. So, even though I personally do believe that Cozzo was made by the 90s, he may never have officially been a capo.