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by **SonnyBlackstein** » Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:03 am

CornerBoy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:33 am kind of impressive that sammy doing all this in his early 30's or younger.

my personal opinion is that the talk about him killing ppl to gobble up their co's is overblown. never really rang true to me and then he comes out w podcast that I've seen a few of. doesn't seem like he would do this habitually.
But if he did, they're mobsters. they kill, cheat and steal. if he did do that, what do you expect from a career criminal?

The difference being he was doing this against members of his own blood, and oath family.

by **SonnyBlackstein** » Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:02 am

B. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 10:59 pm FBI reports from the 80s make it clear Sammy was on the FBI's radar and they were aware of his rise. Informants described him as having a vicious reputation and being focused on construction, pretty close to what we know.

Thanks B. Always wondered if Sammy was Gotti collateral or being independently targeted.

by **CornerBoy** » Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:33 am

kind of impressive that sammy doing all this in his early 30's or younger.

my personal opinion is that the talk about him killing ppl to gobble up their co's is overblown. never really rang true to me and then he comes out w podcast that I've seen a few of. doesn't seem like he would do this habitually.
But if he did, they're mobsters. they kill, cheat and steal. if he did do that, what do you expect from a career criminal?

by B. » Mon Oct 17, 2022 10:59 pm

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 10:39 am Agree.
The murder of the guy who bought his nightclub, some whackjob, but they hit him in broad daylight, and the attempted murder of the biker, again, middle of the street.
Hardly a low key guy.

Was a case being built by the Feds against Sammy before the Gotti tapes? Was he being investigated, followed, surveiled?

FBI reports from the 80s make it clear Sammy was on the FBI's radar and they were aware of his rise. Informants described him as having a vicious reputation and being focused on construction, pretty close to what we know.

by **Pmac2** » Mon Oct 17, 2022 4:59 pm

I mean Paul wasn't the least but concerned if he was still meeting with deccico daily. Even the day he died at sparks

by **Pmac2** » Mon Oct 17, 2022 4:58 pm

Any more info on if deccico was a informant. I mean that guy with the paperwork from the courtlady would have sealed his fate. I wonder how he talked his way out of it to the bosses

by **SonnyBlackstein** » Mon Oct 17, 2022 10:39 am

Agree.
The murder of the guy who bought his nightclub, some whackjob, but they hit him in broad daylight, and the attempted murder of the biker, again, middle of the street.
Hardly a low key guy.

Was a case being built by the Feds against Sammy before the Gotti tapes? Was he being investigated, followed, surveiled?

by **Southshore88** » Mon Oct 17, 2022 9:00 am

CornerBoy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:40 am
Joeyboy1982 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 9:03 pm
funkster wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:01 pm Going over some older Sammy youtube channel episodes, I didnt remember Sammy hating Jimmy Brown. Funny to see him bring up old beefs.
Makes sense...there was talk Jimmy Brown was in on the murder of Frank(which was meant for Gotti). He had a great rapport with West Side. Probably would have been tapped as boss if Gotti regime was taken out.
Jimmy Brown should've been boss. He should have killed gotti and brought in 50 zips. He shouldve run the family with Danny Marino and JOe n gallo or Sammy and Decicco shouldve killed gotti and run the family low key

Kind of hard for Gravano to run the family low key when he’s out there committing 19 murders. I know he wasn’t super talkative on wires, especially when compared to Gotti. I’m not sure you could call the way Gravano operated “low key” if you compared him to other bosses and/or families of that time period. To me he was similar to Casso with the way he leveraged his position in the family to gobble up money and rackets - not sure that anyone would call Casso a “low key” operator during his time on the streets.

Per the DiLeonardo testimony, as consigliere, Sammy was directly involved with a lot of construction and didn’t have a ton of insulation there because he was so greedy with gobbling up the various construction rackets from other Gambino family members - there was even Gotti in the tape mentioning how Sammy was so involved and rhetorically asking if he wanted to become a capo with a crew under him.

by **CornerBoy** » Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:40 am

Joeyboy1982 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 9:03 pm
funkster wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:01 pm Going over some older Sammy youtube channel episodes, I didnt remember Sammy hating Jimmy Brown. Funny to see him bring up old beefs.
Makes sense...there was talk Jimmy Brown was in on the murder of Frank(which was meant for Gotti). He had a great rapport with West Side. Probably would have been tapped as boss if Gotti regime was taken out.

Jimmy Brown should've been boss. He should have killed gotti and brought in 50 zips. He shouldve run the family with Danny Marino and JOe n gallo or Sammy and Decicco shouldve killed gotti and run the family low key

by **JakeTheSnake630** » Mon Oct 17, 2022 6:29 am

Eld wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 4:28 pm I don't think Sclafani had anything on DeCicco or else the outcome would have been diffrent. Even Tommy Bilotti called him an idiot infront of his cousin Joe Corrao, and the FBI agents called him "260 pounds of noise and ineptitude".

Gus Sclafani made the rat accusation, perhaps out of anger towards DeCicco, and couldn't back it up.

What book is that from?

by **Joeyboy1982** » Sun Oct 16, 2022 9:03 pm

funkster wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:01 pm Going over some older Sammy youtube channel episodes, I didnt remember Sammy hating Jimmy Brown. Funny to see him bring up old beefs.

Makes sense...there was talk Jimmy Brown was in on the murder of Frank(which was meant for Gotti). He had a great rapport with West Side. Probably would have been tapped as boss if Gotti regime was taken out.

by **funkster** » Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:33 am

Browniety86 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:40 pm Ruggiero a rat...suprised them cops didn't tell Gas that Ducks was a CI smfh...

I mean, it's as crazy as DeCicco being one, no?

by **CornerBoy** » Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:29 am

Sorry to change subjects but I find Failla to be one of the most interesting along w Joe N Gallo.

What would be the best way to get good info on these two that hasnt been said or written about 2000 x's

Thank you all

by **Pmac2** » Tue Jun 21, 2022 3:01 am

ya sammy always talk little shit about jimmy brown. reason because brown was on the street when sammy flipped and basically wanted to kill his whole crew it got back to sammy

by **Browniety86** » Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:40 pm

Ruggiero a rat

...suprised them cops didn't tell Gas that Ducks was a CI smfh...

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