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Thanks for sharing guys

So who was the CI

Does not indicate it was pat Conte

Interesting about Conte. But it does indicate pat Conte was the guy. His brother flipped and was ready to take the stand against a few guys they all plead guilty

Solid read... when Gleason got the tapes from the rave nite and the fbi guy handed him one and said you’re not gonna like this one lol they were discussing who they thought was coming after Gotti this time and Sammy said I don’t think it’s gonna be Gleason I think they will use someone smarter this time lol

The book was solid. Not a lot of new stuff. I liked the parts about attorneys being controlled or used by Gotti (ultimately hurting co Ds).

His descriptions of encounters with gambino guys at courthouse are funny. Or Gotti referring to Gleeson, Maloney, Cotter, and Orenstiwn as “Irish faggot, Irish faggot, Irish faggot, Christ killer..”

Thanks, please post more as the initial Amazon reviews were too much legal strategy; my fear was a good guys (I'm the real tough guy) narrative.

Good find, TSNYC.

John Gleeson sort of implies Patsy Conte was a CI but not a cooperator. His associate brother flipped. Or maybe the CI at the ceremony was Borghese himself. These guys have a pattern of being CI's before becomming cooperators.

bronx wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 4:56 am or someone getting made ?

Cacciopoli, Rizzo, Martino and Proto were made in that ceremony.

or someone getting made ?

Watts wouldn't have been at the induction ceremony. So the informant would have to have been a made member.


Pogo

hmmm. joe watts maybe. were theres smoke theres fire. maybe he played fast and loose like scarpa. or maybe we wrong and watts never said shit. he did about 20yrs in the last 30yrs in prison. maybe give him the benefit. i know why gravano hates his guts. watts and a few guys were wire taping sammys wife afrer he flipped to findout what he was aying and even was gonna kill his son and crew members

Thanks Greek and TSNYC.

Couple interesting tidbits:

They had a recording from the Ravenite where John Gotti congratulated Dom Borghese on his induction earlier that evening. The fbi wanted to use it as evidence at trial to show that Gotti as boss had inducted Donk. Gleeson asked how he knew that happened? FBI agent Gabriel sAid he had an active informant who was at the induction and reported the info back to Gabriel. Gleeson explained he’d have to call the CI then to which Gabriel refused. Eventually the tape came in based on cross exam by Gotti lawyer.


Book also mentioned a CI providing intel about them using the Cirelli apt.

NYNighthawk wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 6:13 pm any updates on John Carnegelia and Gene Gotti? Do they meet up at 2-3 am to avoid prying eyes?

On one of the tapes played in court, Angelo was talking to Gene on the phone and he referred to John Gotti as "That turd your mother shit out." I think this was during the Giacalone trial and he thanked Gleeson for the trial saying the best thing about this trial was that now he knows the kind of people he has around him. duh...