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Re: Roy demo

by AlexfromSouth » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:52 am

bronx wrote:
AlexfromSouth wrote:Buddy was not made?I thought he was related to paul...Also Grillo's were maybe with nino,thougts?
no buddy was never made, leo grillo and ernie as we know were made.
Where they with Paul and Nino?The Grillos.

Re: Roy demo

by rayray » Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:44 pm

bronx wrote:
Pogo The Clown wrote:
rayray wrote:Nino Gaggi's crew, was that crew Castellano's before he was made boss?

Yes it is the same crew. It explains why Gaggi and Demeo were so close to Castellano while he was Boss.


Pogo
nino's family was very close with paul, that is the only reason paul did not kill nino, he just broke him from captain


Gaggi was definitely close to Castellano, part of the reason why I think he ignored the drug rule in favor of Gaggi/DeMeo over the Eppolito's. But do you think that DeMeo was close to Castellano? I always got the impression from the reads that if it wasn't for Gaggi there would be no DeMeo made in the Gambino's, no matter how much money he brought into the family.

Bronx, you referring to Gaggi not getting killed over the whole DeMeo/car theft ring fiasco? Gaggi was broken down after he was already sentenced, correct?

Another thing I read that I found interesting was how the Ruggiero/Gene Gotti tapes implicated Castellano going to John Gotti to kill DeMeo but either he didn't want to or couldn't because DeMeo had an army of killers behind him. Something about Gotti's 10 to less kills to DeMeo's 38 or so kills--it just indicated that DeMeo was just too dangerous. I also tried to find if DeMeo was recording for the FBI, it seems like he was recording but not necessarily for the FBI, maybe it was for himself? And if he was recording for them, why not take him off the street knowing that the Ruggiero tapes were proof that DeMeo was a goner.

Re: Roy demo

by bronx » Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:36 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote:
rayray wrote:Nino Gaggi's crew, was that crew Castellano's before he was made boss?

Yes it is the same crew. It explains why Gaggi and Demeo were so close to Castellano while he was Boss.


Pogo
nino's family was very close with paul, that is the only reason paul did not kill nino, he just broke him from captain

Re: Roy demo

by bronx » Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:34 pm

AlexfromSouth wrote:Buddy was not made?I thought he was related to paul...Also Grillo's were maybe with nino,thougts?
no buddy was never made, leo grillo and ernie as we know were made.

Re: Roy demo

by Pogo The Clown » Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:20 pm

rayray wrote:Nino Gaggi's crew, was that crew Castellano's before he was made boss?

Yes it is the same crew. It explains why Gaggi and Demeo were so close to Castellano while he was Boss.


Pogo

Re: Roy demo

by rayray » Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:54 pm

Nino Gaggi's crew, was that crew Castellano's before he was made boss?

James and Jr. Eppolito were maternal uncle and cousin to Louis Eppolito, the detective on Casso's payroll. I believe the elder Eppolito was at one time a capo or a very powerful soldier that somehow fell out of favor. He's the one that went to Castellano and complained about Gaggi and DeMeo dealing drugs, ironic since it's possible that DeMeo's crew basically robbed the younger Eppolito in a drug deal. Castellano ruled in Gaggi's favor and gave the okay to do whatever with the Eppolito's. This is the double homicide that Gaggi got into a shootout with a cop and caught, believe he got shot, DeMeo went the other way and never got arrested.

Re: Roy demo

by AlexfromSouth » Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:14 pm

Buddy was not made?I thought he was related to paul...Also Grillo's were maybe with nino,thougts?

Re: Roy demo

by bronx » Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:45 pm

lulu was with nino ..correct,he died of cancer great guy. i don't think buddy was with nino prob tom gambino, buddy was not made .

Re: Roy demo

by AlexfromSouth » Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:24 pm

Of course not,thats just the associates that were with DeMeo.Lulu Marciano was a soldier in that crew,Gandolfo fat buddy Sciandra and probablly Al Seru.Im sure there were others..Does anybody know?

Re: Roy demo

by NE1020 » Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:16 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote:Here is a great breakdown of the Gaggi and Demeo Crews that JD put together a while back.

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Known members under Gambino Captain Anthony Gaggi by the beginning of 1979:

1. Anthony 'Nino' Gaggi (54y)

Soldiers
- Frank Bonino (62y)
- John 'Johnny Pesche' Chiarello (66y)
- Joseph 'Joe Brewster' Delmonico (59y)
- Roy DeMeo (39y)
- Gregory DePalma (47y) (IP)
- James 'Jimmy the Clam' Eppolito (63y) (Murdered 10.1979)
- James Eppolito Jr. (33y) (Murdered 10.1979)
- Frank 'Butch' Guglielmini (54y)
- Joseph Guglielmini (69y)
- Accursio 'Swifty' Marinelli (68y)
- Victor Masotto (70y)
- Peter 'Petey 17' Piacenti (58y)

Associates [most with DeMeo]
- Vito Arena (37y)
- Henry Borelli (31y)
- James Coonan (33y) (Westies)
- Frederick DiNome (39y)
- Paul 'Paulie Pinto' Dordal (33y)
- Joseph 'Dracula' Guglielmo (51y)
- Philip 'Philly Glass' Massi
- Dominick Montiglio (32y) (On Record with Gaggi) (Fled 12.1979)
- Harvey 'Chris' Rosenberg (29y) (Murdered 5.1979)
- Edward 'Fast Eddie' Rendini (30y)
- Frank Santora Jr. (43y) (On Record with Eppolito)
- Anthony Senter (24y)
- Joseph Testa (24y)
- Patrick Testa (22y)
- Ronald 'Bulldog' Turekian (22y)
- Ronald Ustica (35y) (Partner with DeMeo in autotheft operation)
- Herman 'Hymie' Weisberger (59y) (On Record with DeMeo)
- + many others not listed

It's worth noting that several guys previously under Vincent Corrao in the 1970s wound up with Gaggi. There were likely others from that crew. but I limited it only to the ones named specifically.

After DeMeo's murder control of the Westies was given over to Daniel Marino, a Soldier under James Failla (these guys all go back to the original Lombardozzi-Gennaro regime). When Gotti became Boss he made Marino a captain and presumably most of Gaggi's remaining crew was put with him or broken up.

Another possible crew member would be Peter Castellana, but I'm not sure if he was moved at some point. I'd be interested to see if anyone can identify some more made members of this crew.
Is that all the associates there were in that crew? I thought a Gaggi's crew would have about 30-40 associates additional to the 12 soldiers considering how powerful the crew was.

Re: Roy demo

by bronx » Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:59 pm

willychichi wrote:Pogo, was James Eppolito Jr. in any way connected to Louis Eppolito?
yes .zio

Re: Roy demo

by toto » Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:50 pm

Gravano said he was friends with Roy deMeo so when he was killed Castellano showed him the news report and asked his opinion. The boss only asks for such opinions from friends of the murdered guy. This is a common tactic and there are many examples of it.

Re: Roy demo

by willychichi » Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:46 pm

Pogo, was James Eppolito Jr. in any way connected to Louis Eppolito?

Re: Roy demo

by Pogo The Clown » Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:36 pm

Here is a great breakdown of the Gaggi and Demeo Crews that JD put together a while back.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Known members under Gambino Captain Anthony Gaggi by the beginning of 1979:

1. Anthony 'Nino' Gaggi (54y)

Soldiers
- Frank Bonino (62y)
- John 'Johnny Pesche' Chiarello (66y)
- Joseph 'Joe Brewster' Delmonico (59y)
- Roy DeMeo (39y)
- Gregory DePalma (47y) (IP)
- James 'Jimmy the Clam' Eppolito (63y) (Murdered 10.1979)
- James Eppolito Jr. (33y) (Murdered 10.1979)
- Frank 'Butch' Guglielmini (54y)
- Joseph Guglielmini (69y)
- Accursio 'Swifty' Marinelli (68y)
- Victor Masotto (70y)
- Peter 'Petey 17' Piacenti (58y)

Associates [most with DeMeo]
- Vito Arena (37y)
- Henry Borelli (31y)
- James Coonan (33y) (Westies)
- Frederick DiNome (39y)
- Paul 'Paulie Pinto' Dordal (33y)
- Joseph 'Dracula' Guglielmo (51y)
- Philip 'Philly Glass' Massi
- Dominick Montiglio (32y) (On Record with Gaggi) (Fled 12.1979)
- Harvey 'Chris' Rosenberg (29y) (Murdered 5.1979)
- Edward 'Fast Eddie' Rendini (30y)
- Frank Santora Jr. (43y) (On Record with Eppolito)
- Anthony Senter (24y)
- Joseph Testa (24y)
- Patrick Testa (22y)
- Ronald 'Bulldog' Turekian (22y)
- Ronald Ustica (35y) (Partner with DeMeo in autotheft operation)
- Herman 'Hymie' Weisberger (59y) (On Record with DeMeo)
- + many others not listed

It's worth noting that several guys previously under Vincent Corrao in the 1970s wound up with Gaggi. There were likely others from that crew. but I limited it only to the ones named specifically.

After DeMeo's murder control of the Westies was given over to Daniel Marino, a Soldier under James Failla (these guys all go back to the original Lombardozzi-Gennaro regime). When Gotti became Boss he made Marino a captain and presumably most of Gaggi's remaining crew was put with him or broken up.

Another possible crew member would be Peter Castellana, but I'm not sure if he was moved at some point. I'd be interested to see if anyone can identify some more made members of this crew.

Re: Roy demo

by Doobeez » Tue Dec 15, 2015 11:09 am

I remember the Mobsters episodes on Demeo, when they found him in the truck, he had a chandelier on top of his body...Aka, too much light on him, and he had to go.

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