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by **Little_Al1991** » Wed Sep 25, 2024 11:48 pm

Crea and Crea Jr were given bail. According to David Evangalista, jailhouse informant who testified at Crea’s trial, he claimed that Londonio said to him those 2 guys ordered the murder but they receive bail and I don’t.

The wake which Pennisi attended took place on the second of February, 2018. I think cooperated around October of 2018, if I remember correctly

by **Brovelli** » Wed Sep 25, 2024 3:30 pm

That zocolillo said crea jr and lubrano had a gambling thing going at some time. It wasn’t always clear to me if lubrano was actually around the tanglewood boys or not and also that he’s a Bronx guy unlike them but either way he must’ve been somewhere in their vicinity. I read once that the time he did in the 90s was him being confused for Freddy santorelli but not sure if that is accurate.

by **JohnnyS** » Wed Sep 25, 2024 3:16 pm

Brovelli wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 3:01 pm I also thought that. Though it seems like frank salerno took over that crew but very possible lubrano was captain for a while before Salerno. Assuming capeci reporting is accurate

Correct.

Both were close to the Crea's. Salerno came up around the purple gang. He has a reputation of being capable. Lubrano was of course affiliated with the Tanglewood boys and Crea Sr took him under his wing. Lubrano was a bartender at Crea's social club when he was younger.

by **Brovelli** » Wed Sep 25, 2024 3:01 pm

I also thought that. Though it seems like frank salerno took over that crew but very possible lubrano was captain for a while before Salerno. Assuming capeci reporting is accurate

by **aray22** » Wed Sep 25, 2024 2:09 pm

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 6:58 am
AntComello wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 4:29 am If they were treating Pennisi like he had the “plague” then why the hell were they introducing him to all these heavy weight guys at the wake? I don’t get that
What Bing said is right.

Weird thing about Lurano and Pennisi is that when he did that very first Q&A with Ed Scarpo and this is prior to all podcasts and any youtube videos I asked about the captains and crews in the family and he never mentioned Joey Lubrano. He clearly knew about him but why leave him out?

Q: Which crew was Patty Dellorusso made captain of the day Mike DeSantis was made acting boss? Also could he name the captains of each crew? And does he still believe the Lucchese family is made up of only 7 crews? I'm not clear on the whole Brooklyn/Staten Island thing is it one crew or two. Scootch

JP: Patty was made Captain to the original Brooklyn crew. The Staten Island Brooklyn crew was newer guys and not necessarily all from Brooklyn and the old Brooklyn crew were all from that area.

Yes, there were two different crews.

The captains back then were:
Joe “Cafe” Desana- Long Island
Carmine Avellino- Long Island
Richie Deluca- New Jersey
Dom Truscello- Manhattan
Big John- Staten Island (Brooklyn)
Stevie Crea Jr- Bronx
Anthony “Blue” Santorelli- Bronx

Weren't the Crea's locked up by 2017 for the Meldish hit? I wonder if Crea Jr was no longer on the street at the time of this wake which Pennisi says was the last wake he was at before he left the life in 2018.

by **Brovelli** » Wed Sep 25, 2024 11:02 am

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 6:58 am
AntComello wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 4:29 am If they were treating Pennisi like he had the “plague” then why the hell were they introducing him to all these heavy weight guys at the wake? I don’t get that
What Bing said is right.

Weird thing about Lurano and Pennisi is that when he did that very first Q&A with Ed Scarpo and this is prior to all podcasts and any youtube videos I asked about the captains and crews in the family and he never mentioned Joey Lubrano. He clearly knew about him but why leave him out?

Q: Which crew was Patty Dellorusso made captain of the day Mike DeSantis was made acting boss? Also could he name the captains of each crew? And does he still believe the Lucchese family is made up of only 7 crews? I'm not clear on the whole Brooklyn/Staten Island thing is it one crew or two. Scootch

JP: Patty was made Captain to the original Brooklyn crew. The Staten Island Brooklyn crew was newer guys and not necessarily all from Brooklyn and the old Brooklyn crew were all from that area.

Yes, there were two different crews.

The captains back then were:
Joe “Cafe” Desana- Long Island
Carmine Avellino- Long Island
Richie Deluca- New Jersey
Dom Truscello- Manhattan
Big John- Staten Island (Brooklyn)
Stevie Crea Jr- Bronx
Anthony “Blue” Santorelli- Bronx

Agree with this though when he’s mentioned lubrano he’s always called him a captain. Perhaps lubrano was acting for crea jr? Or maybe there is an additional crew that he didn’t mention though I’m pretty sure he testified and didn’t mention lubrano crew though I may be wrong on that.

by **axx** » Wed Sep 25, 2024 10:36 am

Makaveli wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 7:31 am The next question is why was Anthony guzzo so oblivious to the situation ?

He wasn't, it's just that he needed Pennisi to set up a meeting with Gambinos over a pizzeria.

Also in the comments John says he's currently writing two books.

by **AntComello** » Wed Sep 25, 2024 8:04 am

Bing Bang 74 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 5:00 am
If they were treating Pennisi like he had the “plague” then why the hell were they introducing him to all these heavy weight guys at the wake? I don’t get that
They didn't introduce him to "all these heavyweights", the only person he met who he didn't know beforehand was Andrew DiSimone, and he wasn't introduced to him with his new position at the time (Acting Consigliere) precisely because they didn't trust Pennisi and wanted to keep him in the dark with regards to hierarchical positions; Anthony Guzzo also introduced him to Joey Lubrano as a Captain but he and Pennisi already knew each other from prison and just hadn't been introduced as Members. Had Guzzo not been present, Pennisi may have very well not been introduced to anyone at the wake.

Gotcha thanks for the explanation

by **Makaveli** » Wed Sep 25, 2024 7:31 am

Bing Bang 74 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 5:00 am
If they were treating Pennisi like he had the “plague” then why the hell were they introducing him to all these heavy weight guys at the wake? I don’t get that
They didn't introduce him to "all these heavyweights", the only person he met who he didn't know beforehand was Andrew DiSimone, and he wasn't introduced to him with his new position at the time (Acting Consigliere) precisely because they didn't trust Pennisi and wanted to keep him in the dark with regards to hierarchical positions; Anthony Guzzo also introduced him to Joey Lubrano as a Captain but he and Pennisi already knew each other from prison and just hadn't been introduced as Members. Had Guzzo not been present, Pennisi may have very well not been introduced to anyone at the wake.

The next question is why was Anthony guzzo so oblivious to the situation ?

by **johnny_scootch** » Wed Sep 25, 2024 6:58 am

AntComello wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 4:29 am If they were treating Pennisi like he had the “plague” then why the hell were they introducing him to all these heavy weight guys at the wake? I don’t get that

What Bing said is right.

Weird thing about Lurano and Pennisi is that when he did that very first Q&A with Ed Scarpo and this is prior to all podcasts and any youtube videos I asked about the captains and crews in the family and he never mentioned Joey Lubrano. He clearly knew about him but why leave him out?

Q: Which crew was Patty Dellorusso made captain of the day Mike DeSantis was made acting boss? Also could he name the captains of each crew? And does he still believe the Lucchese family is made up of only 7 crews? I'm not clear on the whole Brooklyn/Staten Island thing is it one crew or two. Scootch

JP: Patty was made Captain to the original Brooklyn crew. The Staten Island Brooklyn crew was newer guys and not necessarily all from Brooklyn and the old Brooklyn crew were all from that area.

Yes, there were two different crews.

The captains back then were:
Joe “Cafe” Desana- Long Island
Carmine Avellino- Long Island
Richie Deluca- New Jersey
Dom Truscello- Manhattan
Big John- Staten Island (Brooklyn)
Stevie Crea Jr- Bronx
Anthony “Blue” Santorelli- Bronx

by **Bing Bang 74** » Wed Sep 25, 2024 5:00 am

If they were treating Pennisi like he had the “plague” then why the hell were they introducing him to all these heavy weight guys at the wake? I don’t get that

They didn't introduce him to "all these heavyweights", the only person he met who he didn't know beforehand was Andrew DiSimone, and he wasn't introduced to him with his new position at the time (Acting Consigliere) precisely because they didn't trust Pennisi and wanted to keep him in the dark with regards to hierarchical positions; Anthony Guzzo also introduced him to Joey Lubrano as a Captain but he and Pennisi already knew each other from prison and just hadn't been introduced as Members. Had Guzzo not been present, Pennisi may have very well not been introduced to anyone at the wake.

by **AntComello** » Wed Sep 25, 2024 4:29 am

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2024 5:43 pm https://youtu.be/1ZEp0vxCQr4?si=wHuQ1chLaK-aVZas

Good video on John DiSalvo.

If they were treating Pennisi like he had the “plague” then why the hell were they introducing him to all these heavy weight guys at the wake? I don’t get that

by **Makaveli** » Tue Sep 24, 2024 7:05 am

There was strange caption regarding disalvo at the end of the video…..

by **Brovelli** » Mon Sep 23, 2024 8:43 pm

Disalvo is in joey cupcakes old instagram a lot

by **aray22** » Mon Sep 23, 2024 8:00 pm

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2024 5:43 pm https://youtu.be/1ZEp0vxCQr4?si=wHuQ1chLaK-aVZas

Good video on John DiSalvo.

Pennisi has ID'd so many members the last few years.

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