THE BLACK HAND FORUM

JoelTurner wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 10:26 am

Gelis wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 2:28 pm
Also I've been looking at Luciano's FBI files over at Internet Archive and saw an interesting statement from a FBI interview with Joe Profaci that he visited Luciano's father Antonio when he, Profaci, first came to the US. Anyone have any idea what that's about as Luciano's family, as stated, appears to have had no Sicilian mafia connections?

I'd be kind of surprised, I don't think they really approved let alone that they had mafia ties. Didn't his parents pretty much kick him out of the house because of his activities? Plus, his father never visited him when he was in prison.

Chris Christie wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 3:09 pm One thing the Valachi Papers with Bronson didn't get wrong is the importance of rank. In the film there's several scenes where those of higher rank won't talk to those of lower ranks without a 3rd party. It could have served as comedic effect or their could be something more to it.

*Italian music plays.
Maranzano: "Why izzuh he wet?"
Raina: "Mr. Maranzano want's to know why is he wet?"
Bender: "I don't know why he's wet. Why's he wet, Gap?"
Gap: "I dunno."
Bender shakes his hand to Raina who whispers to Maranzano:
"He dunno."
Maranzano like he was explained something: "Oh."

I'll have to ask Mike a "Dumb question" because maybe there was something to that. I don't know. But I fucking love VP with Bronson.

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 1:28 pm Mobsters is a guilty pleasure. Is Richard Grieco even still alive?

I always thought one of the best portrayals was Ben Kingsley playing Lansky in the movie Bugsy.

Chris Christie wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 1:27 pm

Antiliar wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 12:03 pm The gist of the origin story is that Luciano demanded tribute from the young Lansky and Siegel as they were playing street craps. Instead they threw a punch at him or drew a knife, but instead of it leading to a big fight they gained Luciano's respect. It's been years so I researched it, but this story might come from The Last Testament of Lucky Luciano. According to an official interview Lansky gave, they met as adults. Young adults, but still adults. There's no story about how they met Frank Costello, but Costello knew Al Capone probably before he went to Chicago, I assume through Frankie Yale. Since Yale later became a caporegime under Masseria, it's possible that he introduced them.

Luciano and Lansky were extremely close. That's true. It's also true that Siegel and Lansky were close, but we don't know about Siegel and Luciano. Costello was probably fairly close to Luciano too and more of an acquaintance to Lansky.

I wrote about how Lansky and Luciano met here: https://www.magcloud.com/browse/issue/366261

So they weren't exactly the Fantastic Four. They all knew each other and associated and were even friends but it wasn't quite them against the world. Do we even know how Luciano felt about the Mafia? Bonanno claimed he made a serious attempt at respecting the tradition despite not being from it. Then there's also the myth that Luciano and Lanksy became rivals at the end as well as with Genovese. I believe the only sources for that is Gosch. Correct me but didn't something come out somewhere that Luciano supported Genovese over Costello during their tension?

Thanks for the link, BTW.

Gelis wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 2:28 pm
Also I've been looking at Luciano's FBI files over at Internet Archive and saw an interesting statement from a FBI interview with Joe Profaci that he visited Luciano's father Antonio when he, Profaci, first came to the US. Anyone have any idea what that's about as Luciano's family, as stated, appears to have had no Sicilian mafia connections?

Chris Christie wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 5:04 pm Lucky Luciano is an interesting film. Watching it now in original Italian. Never seen before.

Chris Christie wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 1:27 pm So they weren't exactly the Fantastic Four. They all knew each other and associated and were even friends but it wasn't quite them against the world. Do we even know how Luciano felt about the Mafia? Bonanno claimed he made a serious attempt at respecting the tradition despite not being from it. Then there's also the myth that Luciano and Lanksy became rivals at the end as well as with Genovese. I believe the only sources for that is Gosch. Correct me but didn't something come out somewhere that Luciano supported Genovese over Costello during their tension?
Thanks for the link, BTW.