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Re: Chicago outfit viciousness

by PolackTony » Thu Feb 24, 2022 6:57 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: Thu Feb 24, 2022 6:26 pm
Pogo The Clown wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:19 am What draws my admiration? What is that which gives me joy? Baseball! A man stands alone at the plate. This is the time for what? For individual achievement. There he stands alone. But in the field, what? Part of a team. Teamwork.... Looks, throws, catches, hustles - part of one big team. Bats himself the live-long day, Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, and so on. If his team don't field... what is he? You follow me? No one! Sunny day, the stands are full of fans. What does he have to say? "I'm goin' out there for myself. But... I get nowhere unless the team wins."

This was DeNiro as Capone in The Untouchables by the way.


Pogo
He knew a real Joe Batters when he saw one.

Re: Chicago outfit viciousness

by Pogo The Clown » Thu Feb 24, 2022 6:26 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:19 am What draws my admiration? What is that which gives me joy? Baseball! A man stands alone at the plate. This is the time for what? For individual achievement. There he stands alone. But in the field, what? Part of a team. Teamwork.... Looks, throws, catches, hustles - part of one big team. Bats himself the live-long day, Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, and so on. If his team don't field... what is he? You follow me? No one! Sunny day, the stands are full of fans. What does he have to say? "I'm goin' out there for myself. But... I get nowhere unless the team wins."

This was DeNiro as Capone in The Untouchables by the way.


Pogo

Re: Chicago outfit viciousness

by PolackTony » Wed Feb 23, 2022 3:58 pm

Uforeality wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:52 pm Those guys in Chicago had a legendary control and influence on the entire fabric of the Chicago life. Police, judges and politicians all being influenced. I think that was partially where a lot of the violence stemmed from.
You’re not wrong. We tend to focus on the personal character of these guys, but the upstream questions were why such personalities were recruited and those traits rewarded and reinforced. Part of it I think is the reality of what was a comparatively small but immensely powerful mafia family managing large scale criminal enterprises in a huge metro area, and another key factor was the level of influence that they successfully garnered with public officials and institutions.

Re: Chicago outfit viciousness

by Snakes » Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:01 pm

Antiliar wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:41 pm According to Matt Luzi, Accardo also testified before a grand jury under a grant of immunity and actually gave up some information. Too bad (for us) grand jury proceedings are kept secret.
Probably similar to what Ricca did. Give just enough to not be put away for contempt. Also like Ricca, nobody was really in a position to tell him he couldn't do it.

Re: Chicago outfit viciousness

by Uforeality » Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:52 pm

Those guys in Chicago had a legendary control and influence on the entire fabric of the Chicago life. Police, judges and politicians all being influenced. I think that was partially where a lot of the violence stemmed from.

Re: Chicago outfit viciousness

by Antiliar » Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:41 pm

According to Matt Luzi, Accardo also testified before a grand jury under a grant of immunity and actually gave up some information. Too bad (for us) grand jury proceedings are kept secret.

Re: Chicago outfit viciousness

by PolackTony » Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:54 am

aleksandrored wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:26 am
PolackTony wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:09 am
aleksandrored wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:07 am According to the 1984 Senate hearing when Accardo was asked about his nickname:
"Just one day someone came by that name (Joe Batters) and started calling you that?"
"Yes sir"
:lol:
That’s what they called him in Bunchawanaland.
There's no way to take this Senate Hearing seriously, it felt like a joke :lol:
JB certainly seemed to be enjoying himself.

Re: Chicago outfit viciousness

by aleksandrored » Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:26 am

PolackTony wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:09 am
aleksandrored wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:07 am According to the 1984 Senate hearing when Accardo was asked about his nickname:
"Just one day someone came by that name (Joe Batters) and started calling you that?"
"Yes sir"
:lol:
That’s what they called him in Bunchawanaland.
There's no way to take this Senate Hearing seriously, it felt like a joke :lol:

Re: Chicago outfit viciousness

by Pogo The Clown » Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:19 am

Antiliar wrote: Tue Feb 22, 2022 10:06 pm The Anselmi-Scalise baseball bat beating is a myth. The coroner's report shows that they weren't beaten to death by baseball bats, they were shot to death with bullets. So the exact origin of how Accardo got his nickname of Joe Batters is unknown. We can presume he beat people with bats, but we don't have any solid evidence.

What draws my admiration? What is that which gives me joy? Baseball! A man stands alone at the plate. This is the time for what? For individual achievement. There he stands alone. But in the field, what? Part of a team. Teamwork.... Looks, throws, catches, hustles - part of one big team. Bats himself the live-long day, Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, and so on. If his team don't field... what is he? You follow me? No one! Sunny day, the stands are full of fans. What does he have to say? "I'm goin' out there for myself. But... I get nowhere unless the team wins."


Pogo

Re: Chicago outfit viciousness

by PolackTony » Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:09 am

aleksandrored wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:07 am According to the 1984 Senate hearing when Accardo was asked about his nickname:
"Just one day someone came by that name (Joe Batters) and started calling you that?"
"Yes sir"
:lol:
That’s what they called him in Bunchawanaland.

Re: Chicago outfit viciousness

by aleksandrored » Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:07 am

According to the 1984 Senate hearing when Accardo was asked about his nickname:
"Just one day someone came by that name (Joe Batters) and started calling you that?"
"Yes sir"
:lol:

Re: Chicago outfit viciousness

by B. » Tue Feb 22, 2022 10:39 pm

Nickname myths are always good to untangle.

"Richie the Boot" was rumored to have kicked people to death but turns out the name was originally "Richie the Booth" from constantly using phone booths. If I remember right he called girlfriends that way.

Re: Chicago outfit viciousness

by Antiliar » Tue Feb 22, 2022 10:06 pm

The Anselmi-Scalise baseball bat beating is a myth. The coroner's report shows that they weren't beaten to death by baseball bats, they were shot to death with bullets. So the exact origin of how Accardo got his nickname of Joe Batters is unknown. We can presume he beat people with bats, but we don't have any solid evidence.

Re: Chicago outfit viciousness

by Frank » Tue Feb 22, 2022 9:06 pm

Wasnt Accardo said to collect money with a baseball bat and use it if the person didnt pay up? Not to be confused with the Ansema- Scalise beating which was reported to be Capone snd or Accardo? So I would say the viscousness started well before Giacanna.

Re: Chicago outfit viciousness

by Frank » Tue Feb 22, 2022 8:59 pm

Snakes wrote: Tue Feb 22, 2022 7:21 pm
davidf1989 wrote: Tue Feb 22, 2022 1:55 pm Thanks for your reply and wasn't Butch Blasi Giancana's driver or something?
I can't remember if he actually drove for Sam, but he was definitely one of a handful of guys (Dick Cain and Chuckie English being two others) who were close with him after he left for Mexico.
He was reported to be his aid or was the word secretary used?

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