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Re: When California Dreaming Becomes Deadly: Was Hamilton (ON) Mob Figure “Made” In L.A. In The Weeks Before He Was Kill

by Newyorkempire » Mon Feb 21, 2022 11:48 pm

stubbs wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 4:04 pm Total speculation here, but my guess is the Gambinos wanted to make Iavarone for some reason, but they couldn’t due to protocol, so they used the Los Angeles family as a proxy.

Tommy Gambino is described as the boss of the LA family, and he’s obviously close to the Gambino family’s current leadership in NYC through blood, being Rosario Gambino’s son. His uncle John Gambino was also a huge heavyweight with the Binos and was often described as the reason Frank Cali was able to rise to the Gambinos administration.

I doubt the LA family has any active rackets, but given Tommy’s close relationship to the Gambino family, it’s not hard to believe they keep in close contact given that he’s related to many of them by blood. Since he’s the boss, he can still make new members whether he has active street rackets or not.

Ontario has been described as historically belonging to the Buffalo family in terms of LCN territory, even if Buffalo likely hasn’t had the strength or manpower in several decades to exercise actual control over the province.

However, even if today the Buffalo family is weak, that doesn’t mean another LCN family can just come into their territory and make new members without permission. Assuming my theory is true, the Gambinos wanted to make Iavarone and reached out to Tommy Gambino to get Iavarone a button in Los Angeles to avoid violating protocol by not having Iavarone made wih Buffalo. The Buffalo family seems to be close to the Bonannos, especially given the recent history of Violi (Buffalo family) being at a Bonanno making ceremony in Ontario.

Todaro was probably pissed as his family is supposed to have control over Ontario, at least in terms of American LCN families. So, the LA family making someone without his permission violates that protocol. The reason the Gambinos would want someone in Ontario made could be as simple as to counter the Bonannos recent additions of new members in the province. This would be why they would use the LA family as a proxy, so as to hide their true intentions in the region. Or, they may have wanted to do business with Iavarone but couldn’t unless he was first made an “amico nostra” or whatever.

Also, just guessing based on all the news stories, but it seems like Iavarone was killed as part of the Violi-Musitanos war, not due to any protocol violation. I think the Musitanos had Iavarone killed due to being close to the Violis as payback for Angelo Musitano’s murder, but I could be wrong. I think Iavarone’s brother is the real powerhouse on the street in Hamilton, so he could’ve been killed brother-for-brother as Pat Musitano was powerful in the streets but Angelo had apparently left he life behind.
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Re: When California Dreaming Becomes Deadly: Was Hamilton (ON) Mob Figure “Made” In L.A. In The Weeks Before He Was Kill

by stubbs » Mon Feb 21, 2022 4:04 pm

Total speculation here, but my guess is the Gambinos wanted to make Iavarone for some reason, but they couldn’t due to protocol, so they used the Los Angeles family as a proxy.

Tommy Gambino is described as the boss of the LA family, and he’s obviously close to the Gambino family’s current leadership in NYC through blood, being Rosario Gambino’s son. His uncle John Gambino was also a huge heavyweight with the Binos and was often described as the reason Frank Cali was able to rise to the Gambinos administration.

I doubt the LA family has any active rackets, but given Tommy’s close relationship to the Gambino family, it’s not hard to believe they keep in close contact given that he’s related to many of them by blood. Since he’s the boss, he can still make new members whether he has active street rackets or not.

Ontario has been described as historically belonging to the Buffalo family in terms of LCN territory, even if Buffalo likely hasn’t had the strength or manpower in several decades to exercise actual control over the province.

However, even if today the Buffalo family is weak, that doesn’t mean another LCN family can just come into their territory and make new members without permission. Assuming my theory is true, the Gambinos wanted to make Iavarone and reached out to Tommy Gambino to get Iavarone a button in Los Angeles to avoid violating protocol by not having Iavarone made wih Buffalo. The Buffalo family seems to be close to the Bonannos, especially given the recent history of Violi (Buffalo family) being at a Bonanno making ceremony in Ontario.

Todaro was probably pissed as his family is supposed to have control over Ontario, at least in terms of American LCN families. So, the LA family making someone without his permission violates that protocol. The reason the Gambinos would want someone in Ontario made could be as simple as to counter the Bonannos recent additions of new members in the province. This would be why they would use the LA family as a proxy, so as to hide their true intentions in the region. Or, they may have wanted to do business with Iavarone but couldn’t unless he was first made an “amico nostra” or whatever.

Also, just guessing based on all the news stories, but it seems like Iavarone was killed as part of the Violi-Musitanos war, not due to any protocol violation. I think the Musitanos had Iavarone killed due to being close to the Violis as payback for Angelo Musitano’s murder, but I could be wrong. I think Iavarone’s brother is the real powerhouse on the street in Hamilton, so he could’ve been killed brother-for-brother as Pat Musitano was powerful in the streets but Angelo had apparently left he life behind.

Re: When California Dreaming Becomes Deadly: Was Hamilton (ON) Mob Figure “Made” In L.A. In The Weeks Before He Was Kill

by Newyorkempire » Sun Feb 20, 2022 7:47 pm

NickleCity wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 7:41 pm What Peter Edwards wrote on Sept. 17, 2018:

“Iavarone, 50, was shot dead in the midst of a dispute between two Niagara Region groups of mobsters who are both tied to the New York State mob, several former southern Ontario organized crime police investigators said.

Buffalo would have to give approval for high-level killings, sources said, adding that mob leaders there are believed to have turned their backs on one side in the dispute and given tacit approval to the other.

“They’re all supposed to be under Buffalo,” one source said of the two feuding Ontario crime factions.”
Im sure Musitanos phone calls went unanswered. Especially after losing the Rizzutos as power. It all comes full circle again.

Re: When California Dreaming Becomes Deadly: Was Hamilton (ON) Mob Figure “Made” In L.A. In The Weeks Before He Was Kill

by NickleCity » Sun Feb 20, 2022 7:41 pm

What Peter Edwards wrote on Sept. 17, 2018:

“Iavarone, 50, was shot dead in the midst of a dispute between two Niagara Region groups of mobsters who are both tied to the New York State mob, several former southern Ontario organized crime police investigators said.

Buffalo would have to give approval for high-level killings, sources said, adding that mob leaders there are believed to have turned their backs on one side in the dispute and given tacit approval to the other.

“They’re all supposed to be under Buffalo,” one source said of the two feuding Ontario crime factions.”

Re: When California Dreaming Becomes Deadly: Was Hamilton (ON) Mob Figure “Made” In L.A. In The Weeks Before He Was Kill

by scagghiuni » Sun Feb 20, 2022 1:18 pm

Tony Monte wrote: Sat Feb 19, 2022 6:58 pm Could Tommy Gambino maybe be the head of a crew under the gambino family Sicilian faction out in LA?
maybe a crew of zips... he has strong links with the sicilian mafia

Re: When California Dreaming Becomes Deadly: Was Hamilton (ON) Mob Figure “Made” In L.A. In The Weeks Before He Was Kill

by PolackTony » Sat Feb 19, 2022 11:53 pm

antimafia wrote: Sat Feb 19, 2022 11:05 pm
antimafia wrote: Sat Feb 19, 2022 5:01 pm I haven't quite confirmed yet but I'm fairly certain Tony and Albert Iavarone's father Giuseppe and mother Rosa (both deceased) were respectively born in Pannarano (Benevento) and Casagiove (Caserta), both of which are in Campania. Giuseppe was possibly born to parents Pietro and Maria (née Caputo). Rosa may have had the maiden name Melone.
I would be able to definitively confirm the ancestry of the Iavarone brothers' parents if I were to find either historical records or an online obituary that states place of birth. Back issues of the Hamilton Spectator print editions likely have such obituaries, based on what I found on the RootsWeb site.

FamilySearch has a user-contributed family tree that doesn't contain any records but was a very good lead -- the lack of records in this tree prevents me from asserting Giuseppe Iavarone and Rosa Melone were born in Campania, but someone certainly took the trouble to enter as much information as possible.

Make sure you sign in to the FamilySearch site before or after tapping/clicking on https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedig ... /LHDS-3HS/.

Rosa Melone Iavarone's original online obituary no longer appears on the website for the Friscolanti funeral home in Hamilton, but the Fédération québécoise des sociétés de généalogie has re-created on its site the obituary, including the accompanying photo -- see
https://federationgenealogie.qc.ca/base ... sID=294275.

To see the obituary results on the RootsWeb site, go to https://obituaries.rootsweb.com/obits/s ... ullsearch= and then enter

in the Keywords field before tapping/clicking on the Submit button. There are 2 almost identical results for Peter John Iavarone -- a brother to Tony and Al who died in 2004 -- and 1 result for IAVARONE, Rosa (MELONE). Hover over the results to get a few more general details.
Iavarone is an overwhelmingly Campanian - and particularly Napolitan' - surname. I don't have any documentary evidence about this guy's specific origin, but I'd be very surprised if the name wasn't from Campania.

Re: When California Dreaming Becomes Deadly: Was Hamilton (ON) Mob Figure “Made” In L.A. In The Weeks Before He Was Kill

by antimafia » Sat Feb 19, 2022 11:05 pm

antimafia wrote: Sat Feb 19, 2022 5:01 pm I haven't quite confirmed yet but I'm fairly certain Tony and Albert Iavarone's father Giuseppe and mother Rosa (both deceased) were respectively born in Pannarano (Benevento) and Casagiove (Caserta), both of which are in Campania. Giuseppe was possibly born to parents Pietro and Maria (née Caputo). Rosa may have had the maiden name Melone.
I would be able to definitively confirm the ancestry of the Iavarone brothers' parents if I were to find either historical records or an online obituary that states place of birth. Back issues of the Hamilton Spectator print editions likely have such obituaries, based on what I found on the RootsWeb site.

FamilySearch has a user-contributed family tree that doesn't contain any records but was a very good lead -- the lack of records in this tree prevents me from asserting Giuseppe Iavarone and Rosa Melone were born in Campania, but someone certainly took the trouble to enter as much information as possible.

Make sure you sign in to the FamilySearch site before or after tapping/clicking on https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedig ... /LHDS-3HS/.

Rosa Melone Iavarone's original online obituary no longer appears on the website for the Friscolanti funeral home in Hamilton, but the Fédération québécoise des sociétés de généalogie has re-created on its site the obituary, including the accompanying photo -- see
https://federationgenealogie.qc.ca/base ... sID=294275.

To see the obituary results on the RootsWeb site, go to https://obituaries.rootsweb.com/obits/s ... ullsearch= and then enter

Iavarone

in the Keywords field before tapping/clicking on the Submit button. There are 2 almost identical results for Peter John Iavarone -- a brother to Tony and Al who died in 2004 -- and 1 result for IAVARONE, Rosa (MELONE). Hover over the results to get a few more general details.

Re: When California Dreaming Becomes Deadly: Was Hamilton (ON) Mob Figure “Made” In L.A. In The Weeks Before He Was Kill

by Angelo Santino » Sat Feb 19, 2022 7:49 pm

Make this thread a sticky, it'll be at 300+ pages in no time.

Re: When California Dreaming Becomes Deadly: Was Hamilton (ON) Mob Figure “Made” In L.A. In The Weeks Before He Was Kill

by Newyorkempire » Sat Feb 19, 2022 7:13 pm

B. wrote: Sat Feb 19, 2022 7:10 pm The Morena info from the Hamilton article indicated Iavarone was inducted into "an LA Family" which suggests the LA Family still has its own recognition. A lot of questions obviously. There'd be political value to leaving the LA Family on its own but having a clan member as leader, especially given the value would be based on having California as a network node rather than a robust criminal organization.

Also gives the Gambino Family less responsibility over LA members they don't know. Have to figure too the other NYC Families would have reservations about the Gambino Family stripping LA of its designation and transferring them. Would be a pretty big political move even if it didn't directly impact other Families.

The Hamilton article referring to it as "an" LA Family probably indicates they were just relaying info from Morena that Iavarone was made in LA and the Canadian writer didn't have knowledge of what existed there or its history.
"Network node" +2

Re: When California Dreaming Becomes Deadly: Was Hamilton (ON) Mob Figure “Made” In L.A. In The Weeks Before He Was Kill

by B. » Sat Feb 19, 2022 7:10 pm

The Morena info from the Hamilton article indicated Iavarone was inducted into "an LA Family" which suggests the LA Family still has its own recognition. A lot of questions obviously. There'd be political value to leaving the LA Family on its own but having a clan member as leader, especially given the value would be based on having California as a network node rather than a robust criminal organization.

Also gives the Gambino Family less responsibility over LA members they don't know. Have to figure too the other NYC Families would have reservations about the Gambino Family stripping LA of its designation and transferring them. Would be a pretty big political move even if it didn't directly impact other Families.

The Hamilton article referring to it as "an" LA Family probably indicates they were just relaying info from Morena that Iavarone was made in LA and the Canadian writer didn't have knowledge of what existed there or its history.

Re: When California Dreaming Becomes Deadly: Was Hamilton (ON) Mob Figure “Made” In L.A. In The Weeks Before He Was Kill

by Tony Monte » Sat Feb 19, 2022 6:58 pm

Could Tommy Gambino maybe be the head of a crew under the gambino family Sicilian faction out in LA?

Re: When California Dreaming Becomes Deadly: Was Hamilton (ON) Mob Figure “Made” In L.A. In The Weeks Before He Was Kill

by Pogo The Clown » Sat Feb 19, 2022 5:32 pm

JoePuzzles234 wrote: Sat Feb 19, 2022 3:59 pm
Pogo The Clown wrote: Sat Feb 19, 2022 2:21 pm According to Kenny Gallo, Paduano never did get made. He was scheduled to be made but the ceremony was called off because the guys were being followed by LE.


Rusty Mssetta is probably dead. He was the brother in law of the Milano brothers so he would be ancient if he were still alive. He was shelved in the 1980s and moved to Cleveland.


Pogo
Masetta may still be alive, he was actually the son-in-law of Pete Milano, I believe married to his daughter, Antoinette.
https://www.cleveland.com/pdextra/2010/ ... setta.html

This website claims he was born 10/23/1952, so he'd be 70 this year

Thanks for this. My memory was hazy.


Pogo

Re: When California Dreaming Becomes Deadly: Was Hamilton (ON) Mob Figure “Made” In L.A. In The Weeks Before He Was Kill

by scott22 » Sat Feb 19, 2022 5:29 pm

Just to further clarify, my sources are not saying the hit came from Buffalo or Todaro, just that Todaro felt offended by the protocol and wasn't happy with what happened.

SMB

Re: When California Dreaming Becomes Deadly: Was Hamilton (ON) Mob Figure “Made” In L.A. In The Weeks Before He Was Kill

by B. » Sat Feb 19, 2022 5:17 pm

Gambino might "answer" to the Gambino Family in the sense that he's under their influence/power, which he no doubt is.

- Tommy's brother Tony Gambino worked for Joe Isgro according to Kenji and he married the daughter of a Sicilian mafia member according to Felice. They have a network they can use given their clan has been in power again in NYC and Palermo. Tommy's father jumped right back into mafia association after prison based on the recent case.

- You also had Accursio Dimino the boss of Sciacca recently recorded talking with someone about the idea of putting gambling machines in California because the Ribera Family already had machines in Canada in connection with the Cattolica Eraclea guys there. So the Sicilian mafia has been interested in setting up international slot machine operations on the west coast and Canada. Dimino's associate (member?) Sergio Gucciardi already had machines in NYC and Gucciardi was closely involved with the Bonanno Family, showing up with the Bonanno leadership during social club surveillance in 2013 (info came out of the Asaro case as Asaro and DiFiore were with Gucciardi). Dimino and Gucciardi also met in Sicily with an NJ-based Castellammarese guy who was close to the Montagnas.

- Supposedly Dimino and his man Gucciardi also had contact with the Gambino Family in NYC but there wasn't as much info on that as the Bonanno connection. An Italian article ID'd Gucciardi and Frank Cali having a common link through Leonardo Zinna in the fruit business. The Gambino Sicilian faction has ties to the mafia in Agrigento via Semplice and Acquista.

If Iavarone was Sicilian you might theorize he fell into this big network but if as Antimafia says he was not, it really is a mystery if he was recruited by LA.

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