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Re: Series of Mafia summits on the French Riviera (1980-1981-1989)/Locale 'ndrangheta (1994)

by Eline2015 » Mon Feb 07, 2022 4:41 pm

Bardellino probably answered to Saro Riccobono

Re: Series of Mafia summits on the French Riviera (1980-1981-1989)/Locale 'ndrangheta (1994)

by cobra » Mon Feb 07, 2022 3:44 pm

-after 1978 emerge 3 families in naples:
-zaza / mazzarella -> manage by ciaculli (greco)
-nuvoletta -> manage by corleone (riina)
-bardellino / casalesi -> i'm not aware which is responsible

Re: Series of Mafia summits on the French Riviera (1980-1981-1989)/Locale 'ndrangheta (1994)

by motorfab » Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:39 am

Eline2015 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:43 am Is that correct, that Nuvoletta may serve a role as capomandamento of Napoli, which consist of three "families" (Zaza, Nuvoletta, Bardellino)? And what about Calabria? As we know, there are a three powerful ndrangheta bosses (Macri, Tripodo, Piromalli) were also mafia members, like camorristi in Campagna.
Could be for the Camorra guys, I don't know much, I never read how they were structured when they were CN members, but the 3 families thing sounds credible. Or maybe they were 3 decina represented by Greco for the Cupola

However I never read that Macri/Tripodo/Piromalli were baptized CN

Re: Series of Mafia summits on the French Riviera (1980-1981-1989)/Locale 'ndrangheta (1994)

by Eline2015 » Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:43 am

Is that correct, that Nuvoletta may serve a role as capomandamento of Napoli, which consist of three "families" (Zaza, Nuvoletta, Bardellino)? And what about Calabria? As we know, there are a three powerful ndrangheta bosses (Macri, Tripodo, Piromalli) were also mafia members, like camorristi in Campagna.

Re: Series of Mafia summits on the French Riviera (1980-1981-1989)/Locale 'ndrangheta (1994)

by PolackTony » Sun Feb 06, 2022 11:15 am

motorfab wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 10:44 am
PolackTony wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 10:26 am
motorfab wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 1:00 am
cobra wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 6:40 pm -nunzio guida
-According to Francesco Marino Manoia, Zaza designated Alfonso Bono as his compariello (godfather in Neapolitan), on the other hand Mannoia does not know if it was in the sense of his baptism or if Bono was his boss within the Cosa Nostra
Curious to know what was the source for compariello as “godfather” in Napolitan’. Compariello (gumbariell’) in Napolitan’ literally is the diminutive of compare, so it doesn’t literally mean godfather, so far as I’m aware. Common uses are along the lines of a henchman or “gofer”. But I believe it may have been used in the Camorra to also refer to the bonds that bound someone to their boss.

Worth noting in this context that Paul Ricca’s nickname was “il comparello”. It’s unclear to me if this was related to his status as boss or if it was more the equivalent of “the waiter”.
Ah ? I take that in an old French book of the 80's, I confess that I didn't checked the translation. The author probably made a mistake in the translation. Thanks for the correction
It's possible that they made a mistake, but it's also possible that the word was used in a very specific context in a way that I might be aware of. The fact that Zaza uses it to describe Bono is important either way, though to me it's not clear exactly what was meant by it.

Re: Series of Mafia summits on the French Riviera (1980-1981-1989)/Locale 'ndrangheta (1994)

by motorfab » Sun Feb 06, 2022 10:44 am

PolackTony wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 10:26 am
motorfab wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 1:00 am
cobra wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 6:40 pm -nunzio guida
-According to Francesco Marino Manoia, Zaza designated Alfonso Bono as his compariello (godfather in Neapolitan), on the other hand Mannoia does not know if it was in the sense of his baptism or if Bono was his boss within the Cosa Nostra
Curious to know what was the source for compariello as “godfather” in Napolitan’. Compariello (gumbariell’) in Napolitan’ literally is the diminutive of compare, so it doesn’t literally mean godfather, so far as I’m aware. Common uses are along the lines of a henchman or “gofer”. But I believe it may have been used in the Camorra to also refer to the bonds that bound someone to their boss.

Worth noting in this context that Paul Ricca’s nickname was “il comparello”. It’s unclear to me if this was related to his status as boss or if it was more the equivalent of “the waiter”.
Ah ? I take that in an old French book of the 80's, I confess that I didn't checked the translation. The author probably made a mistake in the translation. Thanks for the correction

Re: Series of Mafia summits on the French Riviera (1980-1981-1989)/Locale 'ndrangheta (1994)

by PolackTony » Sun Feb 06, 2022 10:26 am

motorfab wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 1:00 am
cobra wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 6:40 pm -nunzio guida
-According to Francesco Marino Manoia, Zaza designated Alfonso Bono as his compariello (godfather in Neapolitan), on the other hand Mannoia does not know if it was in the sense of his baptism or if Bono was his boss within the Cosa Nostra
Curious to know what was the source for compariello as “godfather” in Napolitan’. Compariello (gumbariell’) in Napolitan’ literally is the diminutive of compare, so it doesn’t literally mean godfather, so far as I’m aware. Common uses are along the lines of a henchman or “gofer”. But I believe it may have been used in the Camorra to also refer to the bonds that bound someone to their boss.

Worth noting in this context that Paul Ricca’s nickname was “il comparello”. It’s unclear to me if this was related to his status as boss or if it was more the equivalent of “the waiter”.

Re: Series of Mafia summits on the French Riviera (1980-1981-1989)/Locale 'ndrangheta (1994)

by motorfab » Sun Feb 06, 2022 7:57 am

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 5:47 am Gotcha..... this is all a great read... great thread.....
Thanks man, glad you enjoy it
I could be wrong, but I thought the Grecos controlled the 3 families in Naples. The Nuvolettas represented Naples in the Cupola, and were in turn, controlled by the Grecos....
From what I have understood from my various readings, I believe that Greco was above all the representative of the Neapolitans on the Commission.

Not sure who inducted them but it's possible it was Greco who inducted the Nuvolettas. According to Calderone there were so many of them that they [the Nuvolettas] alone represented a decina.

According to Carmine Schiavone, Bardellino was inducted by Rosario Riccobono and I think I read somewhere that Carmine was inducted by Liggio in Milan. No idea if Francesco Schiavone was inducted as well.

It seems that Bono, Riccobono or Leggio inducted the Neapolitans and that the latter were then represented by Michele Greco at the Cupola. Damn, that too deserves a thread ^^

Re: Series of Mafia summits on the French Riviera (1980-1981-1989)/Locale 'ndrangheta (1994)

by CabriniGreen » Sun Feb 06, 2022 5:47 am

B. wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 5:41 am Could be, don't know much. The Sicilian mafia allows members from other Families to serve as sponsor sometimes, so just one possibility for Bono being "compariello" to Zaza since padrino/figlioccio are used to refer to sponsor/inductee in Sicily.
Gotcha..... this is all a great read... great thread.....

Re: Series of Mafia summits on the French Riviera (1980-1981-1989)/Locale 'ndrangheta (1994)

by B. » Sun Feb 06, 2022 5:41 am

Could be, don't know much. The Sicilian mafia allows members from other Families to serve as sponsor sometimes, so just one possibility for Bono being "compariello" to Zaza since padrino/figlioccio are used to refer to sponsor/inductee in Sicily.

Re: Series of Mafia summits on the French Riviera (1980-1981-1989)/Locale 'ndrangheta (1994)

by CabriniGreen » Sun Feb 06, 2022 4:58 am

B. wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 1:16 am A+

Another idea is Bono could have been Zaza's sponsor into Cosa Nostra. The Sicilians use godfather/godson to refer to induction also.
I could be wrong, but I thought the Grecos controlled the 3 families in Naples. The Nuvolettas represented Naples in the Cupola, and were in turn, controlled by the Grecos.....

Re: Series of Mafia summits on the French Riviera (1980-1981-1989)/Locale 'ndrangheta (1994)

by B. » Sun Feb 06, 2022 1:16 am

A+

Another idea is Bono could have been Zaza's sponsor into Cosa Nostra. The Sicilians use godfather/godson to refer to induction also.

Re: Series of Mafia summits on the French Riviera (1980-1981-1989)/Locale 'ndrangheta (1994)

by motorfab » Sun Feb 06, 2022 1:00 am

cobra wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 6:40 pm -nunzio guida
Awesome thank you

Another interesting point that I read in a book for my research:

-According to Francesco Marino Manoia, Zaza designated Alfonso Bono as his compariello (godfather in Neapolitan), on the other hand Mannoia does not know if it was in the sense of his baptism or if Bono was his boss within the Cosa Nostra

-Alfredo Bono was a big gambler and his debts were paid by Zaza. Bontate told Mannoia that Zaza was paying Bono's debts out of huge heroin trafficking profits. Still according to Mannoia [and that's where it ties in with this thread] Zaza, and the Bono brothers were supplied with heroin by a group of Marseille drug trafficker working for Gaetan Zampa, Marseille's most important boss since he took over after assassinated Antoine Guérini in 1967. Gaetan Zampa being in addition of Neapolitan origin we can easily imagine why Zaza addresses to him

Re: Series of Mafia summits on the French Riviera (1980-1981-1989)/Locale 'ndrangheta (1994)

by cobra » Sat Feb 05, 2022 6:40 pm

B. wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:02 am Fab -- When we talked about it before, I remember finding out a huge percentage of the Grenoble Italians come from Sommatino so makes sense it is a decina in their Family. A lot of them also moved to Germany so wonder if they have something there.

--

Zaza was a member of both the Camorra and Cosa Nostra too so could have been included in formal talks between the two groups.

Gaetano Fidanzati's brother Stefano (also a Cosa Nostra member) was at the NYC Bono wedding in 1980. Gaetano had been close to both the Bono brothers and Michele Zaza.

There was also a Camorra leader at the Bono wedding but can't remember his name. He's the guy in this photo on the left:

Image

We know there were a ton of Gambino members at the wedding. Given it happened during the same time as the meetings Fab talked about, seems a lot of possible connections.
-nunzio guida

Re: Series of Mafia summits on the French Riviera (1980-1981-1989)/Locale 'ndrangheta (1994)

by motorfab » Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:24 am

Chris Christie wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:47 am
PolackTony wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:34 pm
Chris Christie wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 12:22 pm I wondered this as well. I see some surnames that appear Italo in origin.
You mean Corsican surnames?
Yeah.
Sorry I didn't see your question at first.

The island of Corsica belonged from the XIIth to the XVIIIth centuries to Italy and to the Republic of Genoa (before that to the Republic of Pisa). Louis XV and the kingdom of France bought the island in 1768. Corsica was then briefly autonomous with the collaboration of the English between 1794 and 1796 before being reconquered by Napoleon and returning definitively to France.

Southern France was also briefly conquered by the Italians during the French Revolution -and probably on other occasions- before being defeated by Napoleon (I believe he was an artillery captain if memory serves)

Short version of the history of Corsica but it explains why the majority of Corsicans have Italian names and share the same culture as their Sicilian cousins.

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