by PolackTony » Fri Mar 18, 2022 9:40 am
Snakes wrote: ↑Fri Mar 18, 2022 9:21 am
Old Schooled wrote: ↑Fri Mar 18, 2022 9:09 am
Im confused as to what some of you are speaking about, with regards to the Outfit going back to normal inductions. Paul the fan boy citizen lawyer is telling people that the Outfit had blood inducted irish and italian Amico Nostra...where do these guys come from....Cosa Nostra is Cosa Nostra...why would be Chicago be any different? This same guy is telling people that the outfit had 2 bosses lol....theres no such thing as 2 Representante's in a Cosa Nostra Family....thats why when theres no boss they put a 3 man panel...if theres 2 and you want to whack a guy and i dont...how we gonna break the tie...what are we gonna do..poll the skippers lol...Cosa Nostra is a dictatorship not a democracy
"Normal" or "traditional" as in finger pricking, burning holy card, etc. Even some of the New York families didn't use these things in induction ceremonies. Chicago never inducted anyone but Italians (maybe a few like Marcello who were Italian on the father's side -- New York also did this). Who is "Paul the fan boy citizen lawyer?"
Yeah, I have no idea who “Paul” is but it shouldn’t even have to be said at this point that Chicago never inducted any non-Itals. Even Gus Alex had to content himself with being “King of the Greeks”. Jimmy Marcello may be the only 100% confirmed “mezzo”-Ital that Chicago ever inducted, so far as I’m aware. And with Marcello, he was raised from a young age by his Italian step-mother (Mickey’s mom), who on her obituary was listed as Jimmy’s mother, so people may have simply thought that Jimmy was full Ital.
And apart from one apparently confused CI during the leadership crisis in the early 70s, there is absolutely no evidence that Chicago ever had two simultaneous official bosses (as in official rappresentanti, not the sort of behind the scenes power that Ricca and Accardo exercised).
Looks like the old tradition of people spreading weird myths about Chicago is still going.
On the question of democracy, there absolutely were families that “polled the skippers” when making major decisions like clipping a member. Chicago seems to have been among the many US families that retained a council system to advise the boss and reach consensus on matters of importance to the family. At least for most of its history, it wasn’t a dictatorship, and the boss didn’t simply have free reign to do whatever he wanted.
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Im confused as to what some of you are speaking about, with regards to the Outfit going back to normal inductions. Paul the fan boy citizen lawyer is telling people that the Outfit had blood inducted irish and italian Amico Nostra...where do these guys come from....Cosa Nostra is Cosa Nostra...why would be Chicago be any different? This same guy is telling people that the outfit had 2 bosses lol....theres no such thing as 2 Representante's in a Cosa Nostra Family....thats why when theres no boss they put a 3 man panel...if theres 2 and you want to whack a guy and i dont...how we gonna break the tie...what are we gonna do..poll the skippers lol...Cosa Nostra is a dictatorship not a democracy
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"Normal" or "traditional" as in finger pricking, burning holy card, etc. Even some of the New York families didn't use these things in induction ceremonies. Chicago never inducted anyone but Italians (maybe a few like Marcello who were Italian on the father's side -- New York also did this). Who is "Paul the fan boy citizen lawyer?"
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Yeah, I have no idea who “Paul” is but it shouldn’t even have to be said at this point that Chicago never inducted any non-Itals. Even Gus Alex had to content himself with being “King of the Greeks”. Jimmy Marcello may be the only 100% confirmed “mezzo”-Ital that Chicago ever inducted, so far as I’m aware. And with Marcello, he was raised from a young age by his Italian step-mother (Mickey’s mom), who on her obituary was listed as Jimmy’s mother, so people may have simply thought that Jimmy was full Ital.
And apart from one apparently confused CI during the leadership crisis in the early 70s, there is absolutely no evidence that Chicago ever had two simultaneous official bosses (as in official rappresentanti, not the sort of behind the scenes power that Ricca and Accardo exercised).
Looks like the old tradition of people spreading weird myths about Chicago is still going.
On the question of democracy, there absolutely were families that “polled the skippers” when making major decisions like clipping a member. Chicago seems to have been among the many US families that retained a council system to advise the boss and reach consensus on matters of importance to the family. At least for most of its history, it wasn’t a dictatorship, and the boss didn’t simply have free reign to do whatever he wanted.