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by **Don_Peppino** » Sat Sep 16, 2023 9:41 am

Sammy had a recent interview with Fat Andy Ruggiano's son. They brought up two instinces of made guys messing with other made guys wives. Particularly pertaining to Carmine Lombardozzi messing with Sammy Mintz's wife and daughter. He went to get permission to kill him (which seems to be the correct protocol). According to Gravano, Mintz was shelved for not "just doing it". Joe Bonanno had a similar story in his family. The question I have is, do anybody know of a situation where the husband (made guy) kills the offender (made guy) and gets away with it. And if not, how do you think politically it would be handled?
Personally, I think Sammy Mintz situation might be the extreme but he would've been WELL within his rights on mob rules and general man rules.

by **bronx** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 6:04 am

Adam , mob needs to make a very good excuse to get permission to kill, usually he is a rat or knows to much and will rat, the other reason thats gray area is, he robbed the family, look at gravano history ,he killed and took control of their biz, eddie had a huge demo company, was first cousins with scammy's brother inlaw another hugesnake.

by **Adam** » Sun Jan 30, 2022 8:36 pm

bronx wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 7:05 pm correct Adam..well said..but he was killed by gravano greed

Hi Bronx. Thanks for the response. Maybe I'm wrong. I really did think that murder was a fear of him flipping. But I could be wrong.

by **bronx** » Sun Jan 30, 2022 7:05 pm

correct Adam..well said..but he was killed by gravano greed

by **Adam** » Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:06 pm

Yeah I found it pretty uninteresting. Like people have mentioned, no new information. But that's expected for a primetime ABC special on the mob/Gravano. My only real complaint was with the Garofalo's daughter's take on why her dad was killed. It seemed to paint him as a guy standing up to the mob and Gravano had him killed. That's bullshit. He was a mobbed up construction guy who got killed by the mob to make sure he didn't rat. Her whole family is mobbed up. Her interpretation of her dad as a normal guy who got killed by bad people because he wouldn't give in to them was wrong and ridiculous. Her dad, her brother, her sister in law, her uncle her cousins, so many mobsters who got busted in her family.

by **Tonyd621** » Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:00 pm

Chris Christie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:30 pm
cosanostra101 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:28 pm Don't know about you all but I had enough of Sammy the Bull, Michael Franzese, Jphnmy Alite and Joe Pistone. Every doc features them and their story keep changing and are so boring now. I hope they get some new people on the next doc.
The only one with staying power will be Franzese. I dont really watch the other ones and the only Franzese stuff I like are his non-mob interviews like Ed O'Neil. Occasionally when I'm waiting somewhere I'll look them up. I dont even watch Pennisi anymore although there is good info that he puts out and I like how he explains the protocol.

Maybe I'm getting old but I find no appeal or interest in shit talking or staged-arguments between them. They are acting like 18-25 year olds having YouTube beefs. I refuse to pay the 40. Not because I'm cheap but because I dont like the way they went about it and dont wish to support that type of content.

Much to my dismay I agree with you on Franzese. He gets alot of views on videos that have been up for short periods of time. Most mob guys would have been done in by now just by the lack of stories but he manages to extrapolate his story and now he gives away freaking iPad I macs or whatever lol

by **Ryan98366** » Sun Jan 30, 2022 9:28 am

Absolutely nothing new in this documentary. Don’t waste your time. Just another money grab for Sammy and his fat ass daughter. He just wants to promote his social media and get more subscribers. His book and the original Diane Sawyer are enough.

by **NYNighthawk** » Sat Jan 29, 2022 11:28 am

what we need is more Columbo 1990 style wars where they implode from within. Except for any innocent civilians getting killed - they did more damage to themselves than Guiliani and Rico could ever do.

by **Nick Prango** » Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:38 am

Chris Christie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:30 pm
cosanostra101 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:28 pm Don't know about you all but I had enough of Sammy the Bull, Michael Franzese, Jphnmy Alite and Joe Pistone. Every doc features them and their story keep changing and are so boring now. I hope they get some new people on the next doc.
The only one with staying power will be Franzese. I dont really watch the other ones and the only Franzese stuff I like are his non-mob interviews like Ed O'Neil. Occasionally when I'm waiting somewhere I'll look them up. I dont even watch Pennisi anymore although there is good info that he puts out and I like how he explains the protocol.

Maybe I'm getting old but I find no appeal or interest in shit talking or staged-arguments between them. They are acting like 18-25 year olds having YouTube beefs. I refuse to pay the 40. Not because I'm cheap but because I dont like the way they went about it and dont wish to support that type of content.

You are totally right. These YouTube mob beefs are totally childish. That is why i like John Pennisi's channel. He seems a lot more believable and legit that most of the other mob channels.

by B. » Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:39 am

They should have just called the Franzese vs. Gravano stuff "Mob Wives".

by **Angelo Santino** » Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:30 pm

cosanostra101 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:28 pm Don't know about you all but I had enough of Sammy the Bull, Michael Franzese, Jphnmy Alite and Joe Pistone. Every doc features them and their story keep changing and are so boring now. I hope they get some new people on the next doc.

The only one with staying power will be Franzese. I dont really watch the other ones and the only Franzese stuff I like are his non-mob interviews like Ed O'Neil. Occasionally when I'm waiting somewhere I'll look them up. I dont even watch Pennisi anymore although there is good info that he puts out and I like how he explains the protocol.

Maybe I'm getting old but I find no appeal or interest in shit talking or staged-arguments between them. They are acting like 18-25 year olds having YouTube beefs. I refuse to pay the 40. Not because I'm cheap but because I dont like the way they went about it and dont wish to support that type of content.

by **cosanostra101** » Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:28 pm

Don't know about you all but I had enough of Sammy the Bull, Michael Franzese, Jphnmy Alite and Joe Pistone. Every doc features them and their story keep changing and are so boring now. I hope they get some new people on the next doc.

by **Rocco** » Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:41 am

I watched it. Its was pretty bad acting on Karen and Gerards part. Like they have not discussed these things with their father till now. come on . lol And just allot of old Diane Sawyer parts. Nothing really new to learn there. Larry Mazza was a little upset on how it turned out. He thought it was gonna be more about him lol

by **Little_Al1991** » Thu Jan 27, 2022 3:21 pm

Sammy’s got a great story to tell.For us people here who are interested in the mob, we won’t ever see another guy like Sammy The Bull tell a story like this again on YouTube.
Former Underboss of the Gambino Family, that pretty much just sums it up

by **aleksandrored** » Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:47 am

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