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Re: How Vic Amuso became the boss according to Vincent “Fish” Cafaro

by CornerBoy » Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:24 am

Pmac2 wrote: Tue Dec 21, 2021 1:27 pm It came out in the mafia cops trial louie eppolitto asked bruno faccillo to stop shaking down a friend of his and bruno disregarded it. So louie went to casso and fingerd bruno a informant. So he got whacked. Vic amuso kinda went the extra yard an told the killers to put a canary in his mouth. Makes you wonder if there was a little personal between the 2. But again casso give the info to amuso.
im kind of concerned that eppollito didn't suffer enough for his horriblel crimes. i feel bad for ppl like hydell's family but those two brothers were scary, crazy, evil. like those mutts that killed J Waverly';s cop that married his wife. horrible ppl.

Re: How Vic Amuso became the boss according to Vincent “Fish” Cafaro

by Luca » Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:31 pm

Pmac2 wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 4:01 pm Strange they passed so many orders threw little al to do murders when he wasnt a hitter and there were so many other capable guys
Yeah when I read his book Al seemed like a bum to me. Never was a money maker, or an enforcer, based off his book it’s hard realize why they inducted him in the family, much less made him boss. The only reason it makes sense is because he was easily controlled. That’s my take on little al.

Re: How Vic Amuso became the boss according to Vincent “Fish” Cafaro

by Little_Al1991 » Sat Mar 05, 2022 2:29 am

Pmac2 wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 4:01 pm Strange they passed so many orders threw little al to do murders when he wasnt a hitter and there were so many other capable guys
It was because he was loyal.When Vic made him the Acting Boss in 1991.It was because he wanted someone who would follow all of his orders.He wanted someone he could control and someone who wouldn’t make a move against him.
This is also the reason as to why Joseph “Little Joe” DeFede became the Acting Boss of the Lucchese Family.

Re: How Vic Amuso became the boss according to Vincent “Fish” Cafaro

by Pmac2 » Fri Mar 04, 2022 4:01 pm

Strange they passed so many orders threw little al to do murders when he wasnt a hitter and there were so many other capable guys

Re: How Vic Amuso became the boss according to Vincent “Fish” Cafaro

by Little_Al1991 » Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:06 am

johnny_scootch wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:41 pm D’Arco talked about meeting with Steve Crea after they were taken down from their acting positions and discussed killing Amuso and Casso. Is it possible Crea went back and told Amuso who then authorized the hit on D’Arco?
It’s unlikely because Crea went along with it but because Louie “Bagels” Daidone didn’t come into the plan, D’Arco decided that it couldn’t be done
The botched attempt on Chiodo’s life led to D’Arco’s downfall

Re: How Vic Amuso became the boss according to Vincent “Fish” Cafaro

by Little_Al1991 » Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:02 am

Pmac2 wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 3:59 pm what happpend to darco son. theres a picof him somewhere from with in the last decade but he didnt really contribute to the book. he never testfied and kinda rode out into the sunset never a peep
D’Arco’s son killed Anthony DiLapi.He also was on the hit team when Peter Chiodo was hit.
His son is still in the Witness Protection Program presumably.He should start his own YouTube channel

Re: How Vic Amuso became the boss according to Vincent “Fish” Cafaro

by johnny_scootch » Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:41 pm

D’Arco talked about meeting with Steve Crea after they were taken down from their acting positions and discussed killing Amuso and Casso. Is it possible Crea went back and told Amuso who then authorized the hit on D’Arco?

Re: How Vic Amuso became the boss according to Vincent “Fish” Cafaro

by Pmac2 » Thu Mar 03, 2022 3:59 pm

what happpend to darco son. theres a picof him somewhere from with in the last decade but he didnt really contribute to the book. he never testfied and kinda rode out into the sunset never a peep

Re: How Vic Amuso became the boss according to Vincent “Fish” Cafaro

by moneyman » Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:56 pm

Charlie wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:14 pm Pennisi confirming they were gonna hit him that day is solid info. He has no reason to lie about this. But I have to say whoever came up with the idea to hit D’arco there has to be the dumbest fucking wiseguy of all time.
I know that place very well, pretty quiet hotel with doormen, concierge and staff always present in the lobby. Actual people living there. It is absolutely impossible to shoot somebody there and remove the body without being heard or attracting attention.
Let alone the fact that it is a mere 10 min walk from the damn U.N so it always has some foreign officials or the secret service roaming around. These guys had to know this since they had used the place before.
I always thought they were going to take D'Arco somewhere else to do the hit. I think in D'Arcos book he mentions the pretext of the meeting was to talk about cardboard box disposal or something like that, so maybe D'Arco got out of the hotel room before they could go to another location.

Re: How Vic Amuso became the boss according to Vincent “Fish” Cafaro

by Little_Al1991 » Thu Mar 03, 2022 11:24 am

newera_212 wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 10:41 am
SonnyBlackstein wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 11:44 am I agree. It is confusing.
As you say, Pennisi believes as D'Arco does, that he was going to be clipped. Yet the circumstances seem questionable.

I am curious as to where Pennisi got his info from. If Mike himself said he was going to clip Al, then that puts it to bed, but if its third party washer women gossip, he's no better informed than us on the board.

We'll likely never know.
Good point. I always assumed Pennisi heard it directly from DeSantis or more likely, Dellorusso (who had just been moved out of Al's crew around that time). Those two seem like the only people around today who overlapped with that crazy early 90s transition / bloodletting period . I'm sure there's a couple more too but I can't think of any off the top of my head. A DeSantis back story would be kind of cool - I think he was brought in through Chiodo or Pagliarulo but even from a younger age seemed like a big shot in his own right
DeSantis was an associate in Chiodo’s Brooklyn crew located in McDonald Avenue.DeSantis has proven himself as an earner and as a capable guy.He also did 18 years in prison.I don’t think that Pennisi heard it from DeSantis or Dellorusso because I think he would have mentioned it.

Re: How Vic Amuso became the boss according to Vincent “Fish” Cafaro

by newera_212 » Thu Mar 03, 2022 10:41 am

SonnyBlackstein wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 11:44 am I agree. It is confusing.
As you say, Pennisi believes as D'Arco does, that he was going to be clipped. Yet the circumstances seem questionable.

I am curious as to where Pennisi got his info from. If Mike himself said he was going to clip Al, then that puts it to bed, but if its third party washer women gossip, he's no better informed than us on the board.

We'll likely never know.
Good point. I always assumed Pennisi heard it directly from DeSantis or more likely, Dellorusso (who had just been moved out of Al's crew around that time). Those two seem like the only people around today who overlapped with that crazy early 90s transition / bloodletting period . I'm sure there's a couple more too but I can't think of any off the top of my head. A DeSantis back story would be kind of cool - I think he was brought in through Chiodo or Pagliarulo but even from a younger age seemed like a big shot in his own right

Re: How Vic Amuso became the boss according to Vincent “Fish” Cafaro

by SonnyBlackstein » Tue Mar 01, 2022 11:44 am

I agree. It is confusing.
As you say, Pennisi believes as D'Arco does, that he was going to be clipped. Yet the circumstances seem questionable.

I am curious as to where Pennisi got his info from. If Mike himself said he was going to clip Al, then that puts it to bed, but if its third party washer women gossip, he's no better informed than us on the board.

We'll likely never know.

Re: How Vic Amuso became the boss according to Vincent “Fish” Cafaro

by Charlie » Tue Mar 01, 2022 8:00 am

SonnyBlackstein wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:33 pm
Charlie, much love and respect. You and bronx are the only guys I believe who are 'on the ground'.
But you prove my point that this 'hit' was bullshit.

I mentioned a bunch of reasons above, and combined with yours above, anyone want to put their hand up and disagree?
Please state why when you do,

Charlie, hope you and yours are well and healthy.
Sonny, thank you so much. How are you doing brother? I hope all is well with you and your family.

Quite frankly I always thought D'Arco's paranoia so got the better of him that he thought he was getting clipped that day at the Kimberly (who could blame him with such lunatics?).

I have to say though as far as informants, Pennisi strikes me as a guy who's pretty honest. He doesn't exaggerate or make himself the richest or baddest wiseguy around, quite the opposite in fact. If he was told several times from people that were present that day that D'Arco was going it is credible.

I agree with all your points except the seasoned killers part. These guys were killers for sure but very unprofessional, dare one say amateurish. Hitting a guy in such a stupid place is right up their alley.
Who knows? D'Arco had in effect been demoted by that time, his rep was in shambles on the streets and within the family and was suspected of witholding money from the bosses. Not like Amuso and Casso needed any incentive to kill anybody.
I'm conflicted, on the one hand I cannot see why they would clip him there and everything you mention makes the story sound fishy. On the other hand Pennisi's account is very credible.

Re: How Vic Amuso became the boss according to Vincent “Fish” Cafaro

by Little_Al1991 » Tue Mar 01, 2022 1:12 am

SonnyBlackstein wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:33 pm
Charlie wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:14 pm Pennisi confirming they were gonna hit him that day is solid info. He has no reason to lie about this. But I have to say whoever came up with the idea to hit D’arco there has to be the dumbest fucking wiseguy of all time.
I know that place very well, pretty quiet hotel with doormen, concierge and staff always present in the lobby. Actual people living there. It is absolutely impossible to shoot somebody there and remove the body without being heard or attracting attention.
Let alone the fact that it is a mere 10 min walk from the damn U.N so it always has some foreign officials or the secret service roaming around. These guys had to know this since they had used the place before.
Charlie, much love and respect. You and bronx are the only guys I believe who are 'on the ground'.
But you prove my point that this 'hit' was bullshit.

I mentioned a bunch of reasons above, and combined with yours above, anyone want to put their hand up and disagree?
Please state why when you do,

Charlie, hope you and yours are well and healthy.
In D’Arco’s book he says that his reputation around this time was being tainted.Suddenly, guys didn’t want to really speak with him.DeSantis bringing a gun into the hotel room.The fact that this led to D’Arco running to the FBI suggests that something was going on.Pennisi also has given some conformation about this.
Though even with all of this, it still sounds crazy to do this at the Kimberly hotel because of the reasons that already have been stated

Re: How Vic Amuso became the boss according to Vincent “Fish” Cafaro

by SonnyBlackstein » Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:33 pm

Charlie wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:14 pm Pennisi confirming they were gonna hit him that day is solid info. He has no reason to lie about this. But I have to say whoever came up with the idea to hit D’arco there has to be the dumbest fucking wiseguy of all time.
I know that place very well, pretty quiet hotel with doormen, concierge and staff always present in the lobby. Actual people living there. It is absolutely impossible to shoot somebody there and remove the body without being heard or attracting attention.
Let alone the fact that it is a mere 10 min walk from the damn U.N so it always has some foreign officials or the secret service roaming around. These guys had to know this since they had used the place before.
Charlie, much love and respect. You and bronx are the only guys I believe who are 'on the ground'.
But you prove my point that this 'hit' was bullshit.

I mentioned a bunch of reasons above, and combined with yours above, anyone want to put their hand up and disagree?
Please state why when you do,

Charlie, hope you and yours are well and healthy.

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