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Re: Joseph “Little Joe” DeFede Former Lucchese Acting Boss

by Rocco » Mon Dec 20, 2021 2:05 pm

CornerBoy wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 8:21 am
Rocco wrote: Thu Dec 09, 2021 10:22 am I believe he was living in the Sarasota area when he died. 80% of the rats live in FL .the rest AZ. lol
Go to Fort Lauderdale or Boca- retired mobsters, RAts, active mobsters. fake tough guys --TEH WORKS
Yep! My Dad when he was alive had a condo in Boca. He was pals with a couple Genovese connected guys that were in the Trucking and warehousing(teamster) in NJ. Guy he played cards with was 83 had an ankle bracelot on for extortion lol

Re: Joseph “Little Joe” DeFede Former Lucchese Acting Boss

by CornerBoy » Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:48 am

shocking that a "mob boss" would only make 300K or whatever it said. for what?

its hard to tell as I just know a handful and grew up with "guys" in BK and SI of which only 1 is a real friend. The rest are just acquaintances that probably call me b/c they're playing a long con on me or maybe b/c I left the neighborhood and did well OR they're genuine. Sorry for the rant. My point is that some of these guys, it seems, a..re on the verge of being broke. they talk about ppl "he's got a got of scarole" I don't see much of it. also, these guys are fucking embarrasing to be around. they cannot ever shut the fuck up and not go to a restaurant in Tribeca without some perceived slight. Saw jackie and rocco basile at wolfgangs last night btw. They Jackie was drunk and laughing about big Dom- "he alsways wanted to be a gangster, he got his chance- 15 years of fun!" paraphrasing. The piza place on beach st around corner from wolfgangs is owned by anthony fusco who is nice guy. Anyone know him and his sister connie? He was in jail for loansharking prob 10 yrs ago. Later, all. Sorry the dictation on this is shitty

Re: Joseph “Little Joe” DeFede Former Lucchese Acting Boss

by UTC » Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:52 pm

Dapper_Don wrote: Tue Dec 07, 2021 8:19 pm in case folks here never read it, heres the spread NYtTimes did on him a while back while he was still alive

After the Mob, He’s Just Scraping By
April 30, 2010

SOMEWHERE IN SOUTH FLORIDA

A SATURDAY, 11 a.m. Seniors’ hour at the diner.

An old man with a hearing aid butters his toast. Two Jamaican nurses help a woman with a walker through the door. An elderly mother and her daughter share a stack of pancakes, the mother guiding her fork past the oxygen tube in her nose.

Sitting in one booth with his wife, the former acting boss of the Luchese crime family tucks into his $4 plate of scrambled eggs. He wears a pink Hawaiian shirt, a gold medallion, a brand-new pair of therapeutic sneakers. He is talking about the old days: everything he had, everything he lost.

“How much money?” he asks, responding to the question with a question.

“Awww, tons of money,” he answers. “It’s hard to say how much.”

This is Joe DeFede, a retired New York gangster who oversaw the rackets in the city’s garment district in the 1990s, a perch that provided him with a Cadillac, a driver, three horses stabled at Aqueduct and a home entertainment system columned in the style of ancient Greece. Like many mobsters, he walked through life with dignity and pride and, usually, with several thousand dollars in his pocket.

These days, though, he walks with a faltering step of age and with the weight of financial worry. After a five-year prison stint, legal fees and the crushing costs of creating a new identity — he entered but then left the witness protection program — the boss is almost broke. He and his second wife, Nancy, live on an annual income they said was not much more than $30,000: Social Security, a modest annuity and her pension from 20 years of working in a bank.

“That’s the fear we got,” said Mr. DeFede, 76, a slight man with a bookmaker’s grin who is known as Little Joe. “We try to keep our payments up” — for the car, the house, a recent hip replacement — “but sometimes we can’t hack it.”

Or as Mrs. DeFede, 74, explained, “We’re just scraping by.”

It might be hard to muster sympathy — especially in the midst of a recession — for a guy who once earned his living shaking down businesses and taking illegal bets, even if he served his sentence and testified at several federal trials that helped put his former Mafia colleagues behind bars. But there is no such thing as a Gangster I.R.A., so the DeFedes are living check to check (and under assumed names) on the hard edge of a sharp financial knife.

They are hardly the first to struggle in their golden years when the years that went before were lived outside the law. Before the film “American Gangster” revived his finances, Frank Lucas, who earned — then lost — millions as a heroin dealer, was living in a public housing project in New Jersey. (He is now trying to start his own fashion line.) Henry Hill, a Luchese family associate whose story formed the basis for the movie “Goodfellas,” sells signed posters as well as his memoirs and cookbooks at the Web site goodfellahenry.com.

“These people wind up as desperadoes in a sense,” said Nicholas Pileggi, who wrote, among other things, the screenplay for “Goodfellas.” “They come up with different schemes to survive without a 401(k). Don’t forget, they were hustlers to begin with.”

The DeFedes fit that mold: friendless, jobless and, faced with an uncertain future, living on their wits. Mrs. DeFede has sold jewelry — a ruby necklace, an emerald bracelet — to help support the household and has even written a book about her trials, “Life With Little Joe.”

It is a love story, sort of, opening with a startling scene of a young Mr. DeFede slapping her face. The manuscript encompasses their lives together: from obscurity to opulence, from the bulletproof vest she once found in her husband’s closet to their nervous flight into the federal government’s arms. While one might think a mob moll’s tell-all would make for an easy sale, that has not been the case. Mrs. DeFede’s agent spent an unsuccessful year shopping the book around. The couple still hopes the manuscript will provide them a nest egg. Publish or perish, Mafia style.

Last year, Mrs. DeFede took a job as a cashier at a clothing store. It paid $7.50 an hour and required cleaning toilets. She lasted three days.

“There’s not a lot of ads out there saying, ‘Wanted: Ex-crime boss of a Mafia family. Ten years experience required,’ ” Mrs. DeFede said.
HIDING “There’s not a lot of ads out there saying, ‘Wanted: Ex-crime boss of a Mafia family. Ten years experience required,’ ” Mrs. DeFede said.Credit...Josh Ritchie for The New York Times

As for her husband, she is apt to say, “There’s not a lot of ads out there saying, ‘Wanted: Ex-crime boss of a Mafia family. Ten years’ experience required.’ ”

Not unlike their law-abiding counterparts, they are filled with rage and bitterness — and violent apprehension — at their economic prospects. Mr. DeFede is so suffused with anxiety he sleepwalks and, in that state, literally punches the walls.

“Joe has fights in his sleep, cursing at some shadowy figure from the past,” Mrs. DeFede wrote one evening, jotting down thoughts for a reporter. “He has hit me several times during these episodes. Of course, he didn’t mean to harm me, but after one really bad incident, I was trying to calm him down and I got punched in the face.”

Mr. DeFede was nearing 70 when he got out of prison and discovered that a contract had been taken on his life. He was accused — wrongly, he insists — of stealing nearly a million dollars of Luchese family money. “If I did what they said I did,” he reasoned one night at the dismal bar of a chain restaurant, “you think that I’d be here?”

The DeFedes met in 1958 and married 12 years later, each with a divorce in the rear view. A couple of years ago, they settled here in a 55-and-older community— they insisted its name be withheld for security reasons — and have built a pleasant, albeit precarious, life.

Family is far away: Mrs. DeFede’s son is in New York, in the throes of a recent divorce. Mr. DeFede’s daughter is on Long Island, but visiting is difficult — she lives with his former wife.

They have grandchildren in San Diego but cannot afford the plane ticket. “It’s lonely living alone,” said Mrs. DeFede, a classic tough cookie with an Irish-American wit. “Holidays are the worst. You see other people with their families and it totally breaks your heart.”

A few years ago, her oldest friend from Brooklyn moved into the neighborhood to be with her. But there was drinking, petty fights and eventually unkind words; part of the problem was the friend started dating a retired cop. The two have parted ways, potentially forever. How does one explain oneself to the neighbors, after all?

“We don’t have a life,” Mrs. DeFede said.

What they do have is each other. Mrs. DeFede carries her husband’s glasses and double-checks his payments on the bar bill. Mr. DeFede cleans the gutters — he did, at least, until his hip went bad. She makes suggestions of what he ought to order from the menu. He drives her to the beauty parlor and waits until she is done. She back-seat drives from the front seat of the car.

When evening comes, they watch television together — the History Channel, “Divorce Court,” “Everybody Loves Raymond.” Mr. DeFede plays solitaire. He visits the barbershop, not to have his hair cut, but for company. “They’re Cubans, so they don’t speak too much English — it’s difficult,” he said.

One recent Saturday, they visited a flea market. Mr. DeFede pulled into a spot and hung his disabled parking permit from the mirror. He stepped outside and observed his front bumper, scratched like a scabbed shin.

“Five years old,” he said. “I never drove a car five years old before.” He put his hands together, palms up, and shook them back and forth in disbelief. “Remember that song?” he asked. “ ‘If My Friends Could See Me Now’?”

Inside the bazaar, Mrs. DeFede looked at several items she could not afford. A patterned blouse. A yellow purse. Shoes.

“You see what I’ve done to her?” asked Mr. DeFede, looking on. “You see this? She could’ve had anybody. Anybody. She ended up with me.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/02/nyre ... mafia.html
I found this absolutely hilarious.

Re: Joseph “Little Joe” DeFede Former Lucchese Acting Boss

by CornerBoy » Fri Dec 17, 2021 8:21 am

Rocco wrote: Thu Dec 09, 2021 10:22 am I believe he was living in the Sarasota area when he died. 80% of the rats live in FL .the rest AZ. lol
Go to Fort Lauderdale or Boca- retired mobsters, RAts, active mobsters. fake tough guys --TEH WORKS

Re: Joseph “Little Joe” DeFede Former Lucchese Acting Boss

by newera_212 » Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:06 am

nizarsoccer wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:32 pm
Snakes wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:58 pm Ralph Natale was made and immediately became boss.
No he was made years before by Gambino and Bruno.
lmao

Re: Joseph “Little Joe” DeFede Former Lucchese Acting Boss

by Little_Al1991 » Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:48 am

Pmac2 wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:21 pm So steve crea became probaly official underboss after casso is striped in 94 to. I mean how weak could defede been if hes giving crea orders. I wonder who his muscle was
Amuso was backing DeFede which is why he had power

Re: Joseph “Little Joe” DeFede Former Lucchese Acting Boss

by nizarsoccer » Sat Dec 11, 2021 2:56 pm

Antiliar wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 2:43 pm
nizarsoccer wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:32 pm
Snakes wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:58 pm Ralph Natale was made and immediately became boss.
No he was made years before by Gambino and Bruno.
Hard to say. That story sounds really suspect.

Read this article by George Anastasia. Natale is a liar. https://www.phillyvoice.com/true-or-fal ... d-gambino/
Oh I was joking. His book is definitely full of baloney. Scott Bernstein talked on his podcast how he refused to help him with his book after hearing some of his bs stories

Re: Joseph “Little Joe” DeFede Former Lucchese Acting Boss

by Antiliar » Sat Dec 11, 2021 2:43 pm

nizarsoccer wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:32 pm
Snakes wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:58 pm Ralph Natale was made and immediately became boss.
No he was made years before by Gambino and Bruno.
Hard to say. That story sounds really suspect.

Read this article by George Anastasia. Natale is a liar. https://www.phillyvoice.com/true-or-fal ... d-gambino/

Re: Joseph “Little Joe” DeFede Former Lucchese Acting Boss

by MightyDR » Sat Dec 11, 2021 2:39 pm

One thing I found interesting while reading about Defede was that he testified that he attended eight Commission meetings between 1994-1998.
https://imgur.com/a/jWgzmnB

Also, he inducted a member of the Tanglewood Boys into the Luccheses.
https://www.theintelligencer.com/news/a ... 469475.php

Re: Joseph “Little Joe” DeFede Former Lucchese Acting Boss

by joeycigars » Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:41 pm

Snakes wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:58 pm Ralph Natale was made and immediately became boss.
LUISI, and Merlino , Scarfo Sr , Stanfa ... philly was so big it had 5 bosses :D

Re: Joseph “Little Joe” DeFede Former Lucchese Acting Boss

by nizarsoccer » Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:32 pm

Snakes wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:58 pm Ralph Natale was made and immediately became boss.
No he was made years before by Gambino and Bruno.

Re: Joseph “Little Joe” DeFede Former Lucchese Acting Boss

by Snakes » Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:58 pm

Ralph Natale was made and immediately became boss.

Re: Joseph “Little Joe” DeFede Former Lucchese Acting Boss

by Pmac2 » Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:23 pm

In 5 yrs he becomes acting boss. Thats probaly a record nope there was gerry lang

Re: Joseph “Little Joe” DeFede Former Lucchese Acting Boss

by Pmac2 » Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:21 pm

So steve crea became probaly official underboss after casso is striped in 94 to. I mean how weak could defede been if hes giving crea orders. I wonder who his muscle was

Re: Joseph “Little Joe” DeFede Former Lucchese Acting Boss

by Pogo The Clown » Sat Dec 11, 2021 9:04 am

stubbs wrote: Sat Dec 11, 2021 7:29 am
Wiseguy wrote: Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:58 pm
Dapper_Don wrote: Tue Dec 07, 2021 8:22 pmSpeaking of money matters, Defede said the total take of the approximately 100-member Luchese family over the four years he headed it was about $6 million.
While figuring money is one of the toughest things when it comes to the mob...and while I actually hold to the more conservative figures in OC income estimates...the idea that the Luccheses brought in only $6 million over a 4 year period in the 1990s is just absurd.

And for the record, DeFede's $250,000 a year 1994-1998 would be about $450,000 a year today.
I wonder if that $6 million is the amount of money kicked up to the family administration from capos and members during that time period, or if it’s the total amount the family grossed on the street from all rackets. The former makes a lot more sense. Like, maybe Defede just did a bad job of collecting from his captains during that time.

Yeah that would make more sense. No doubt the family as a whole grossed a lot more than 6 million in 4 years (even adjusted for inflation).


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