THE BLACK HAND FORUM

Pmac2 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:19 pm it was a joint venture. the guy who blew frank deccico was a genovese guy but i think his brother was a colombo capo john pate. bobby manna had a whole jersey crew looking to kill them but they failed. i wonder who the bomb guys herbert pates capo was he was in

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 3:55 pm

Rocco wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:46 pm

chin_gigante wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 12:18 pm Gigante and Corallo had jointly agreed after the Castellano murder that Gotti and some of his loyalists should be killed. The Genovese family's Jersey faction started plotting the murders but they couldn't get a good shot due to a combination of Little Italy traffic and the media and law enforcement attention Gotti was surrounded by. The first real chance they got was when Danny Marino and James Failla informed them of the meeting that was to take place at Failla's social club. The contract was then given to Amuso and Casso (it was always a joint venture between the Lucchese and Gambino families so it could have went either way). Gigante loaned Genovese associate Herbert Pate (who had already been involved in a murder with Amuso and Casso) to build and plant the bomb because he was an explosives expert.

There was also motive for Amuso and Casso to continue with the plot after ascending to the top of the family because Angelo Ruggiero and Michael Paradiso had been behind Casso's shooting. It was also better to double down and get Gotti first before he could figure out they were behind DeCicco's death and retaliate. Eddie Lino and Bobby Borriello were killed both to isolate Gotti and also eliminate the chance of retaliation if they succeeded in killing the Gambino boss. Casso was so gung ho to take out the Gambino leadership that he ordered Frank Lastorino to kill Patty Testa on the sneak so they could frame the Gambinos for it to trick Amuso into authorising the killings of Junior Gotti and Nick Corozzo.

"Danny Marino and James Failla informed them of the meeting that was to take place at Failla's social club"

This would explain why Gotti paid the AB to kill Marino(according to Gravano). Also why JR wanted to kill Marino after his dad went to jail.

Isn't that when Junior and his guys planned on hitting them at a meeting but Marino and Failla smartly showed up in a rented limo, which would provide a potential trail to investigators should they be killed, and Junior was forced to call it off? I remember reading that somewhere.

Rocco wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:46 pm

chin_gigante wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 12:18 pm Gigante and Corallo had jointly agreed after the Castellano murder that Gotti and some of his loyalists should be killed. The Genovese family's Jersey faction started plotting the murders but they couldn't get a good shot due to a combination of Little Italy traffic and the media and law enforcement attention Gotti was surrounded by. The first real chance they got was when Danny Marino and James Failla informed them of the meeting that was to take place at Failla's social club. The contract was then given to Amuso and Casso (it was always a joint venture between the Lucchese and Gambino families so it could have went either way). Gigante loaned Genovese associate Herbert Pate (who had already been involved in a murder with Amuso and Casso) to build and plant the bomb because he was an explosives expert.

There was also motive for Amuso and Casso to continue with the plot after ascending to the top of the family because Angelo Ruggiero and Michael Paradiso had been behind Casso's shooting. It was also better to double down and get Gotti first before he could figure out they were behind DeCicco's death and retaliate. Eddie Lino and Bobby Borriello were killed both to isolate Gotti and also eliminate the chance of retaliation if they succeeded in killing the Gambino boss. Casso was so gung ho to take out the Gambino leadership that he ordered Frank Lastorino to kill Patty Testa on the sneak so they could frame the Gambinos for it to trick Amuso into authorising the killings of Junior Gotti and Nick Corozzo.

"Danny Marino and James Failla informed them of the meeting that was to take place at Failla's social club"

This would explain why Gotti paid the AB to kill Marino(according to Gravano). Also why JR wanted to kill Marino after his dad went to jail.

chin_gigante wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 12:18 pm Gigante and Corallo had jointly agreed after the Castellano murder that Gotti and some of his loyalists should be killed. The Genovese family's Jersey faction started plotting the murders but they couldn't get a good shot due to a combination of Little Italy traffic and the media and law enforcement attention Gotti was surrounded by. The first real chance they got was when Danny Marino and James Failla informed them of the meeting that was to take place at Failla's social club. The contract was then given to Amuso and Casso (it was always a joint venture between the Lucchese and Gambino families so it could have went either way). Gigante loaned Genovese associate Herbert Pate (who had already been involved in a murder with Amuso and Casso) to build and plant the bomb because he was an explosives expert.

There was also motive for Amuso and Casso to continue with the plot after ascending to the top of the family because Angelo Ruggiero and Michael Paradiso had been behind Casso's shooting. It was also better to double down and get Gotti first before he could figure out they were behind DeCicco's death and retaliate. Eddie Lino and Bobby Borriello were killed both to isolate Gotti and also eliminate the chance of retaliation if they succeeded in killing the Gambino boss. Casso was so gung ho to take out the Gambino leadership that he ordered Frank Lastorino to kill Patty Testa on the sneak so they could frame the Gambinos for it to trick Amuso into authorising the killings of Junior Gotti and Nick Corozzo.

Shellackhead wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 1:26 pm My question is, why didn’t Gotti retaliate? DeCicco, Lino, Borriello, all Gotti supporters that got clipped & Gotti didn’t do anything.

ChicagoOutfit wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:36 am

Pmac2 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:56 am Tony ducks and chrisry tick were released on bail they where both on the street till there conviction in 87

Was Fat Tony on the street too? I’m assuming he was less than pleased by what happened…was he involved at all in saying we want vengeance?

I know supposedly Jackie Cerone sent a messenger (Mike Magnafichi? Sounds like it could be BS, wouldn’t mike have been like 22-23 years old? Maybe he was just the driver? ) to express Chicago’s disapproval.

Pmac2 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:55 am Must have been rite after big pauls murder december 85 Ducks and chin are the only official bosses on the street making the the only votes on the commission. Persico and gerry lang are locked up and the bonannos have no say. Im guessing january or feb 1986. Chin and tony ducks probaly let a few weeks go by to meet after big pauls murder. The feds must have been watching them. Frank deccico is the first revenge hit in april 86. This is all from gaspipes testomny in front of some hearing in 1994

Pmac2 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:56 am Tony ducks and chrisry tick were released on bail they where both on the street till there conviction in 87