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by **Bruno187** » Mon Nov 01, 2021 2:42 pm

IMHO there's less risk in getting one guy with deep pockets to corrupt than corrupting a whole bunch of smaller players with limited resources. Especially nowadays.
Think about it...you approach 50 contractors and put the shake on them, one of them is bound to run to the FBI. You get one union guy, who is maybe into you for money or you have some kind of leverage with, and corrupt him, now you only have to worry about one guy.
With all that said, it's a different world today and OC is most definitely a thing of the past. At least getting away with it and hoping to die on the outside in one's own bed.
Long time Joey....hope all is well with you.

by **nizarsoccer** » Mon Nov 01, 2021 11:16 am

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 9:57 am
nizarsoccer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 5:07 am
Pmac2 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 4:20 am shaking down the union guy for part of his salary is just fucking nuts unless its a no show job but i doubt it cause he was a high ranking official so he works the union standard 40hrs aweek. all the little scams they could pull they go for the guys paycheck dumb
Well Vincent Eposito personally extorted over ten thousand dollars a year from the senior union official leading Local 2D, so it's part of the shakedown playbook. Plus clearly they wanted to take it another level with the benefit fund extortion, just didn't the time to complete it.
In both the Genovese and Colombo cases, union infiltration went back to at least the early 2000s. In the Genovese case, they were also pulling those other scams with the union, i.e. soliciting and accepting bribes, steering union benefit plans into investments in exchange for kickbacks, etc.

Yeah I know. Maybe if someone goes to trial we can find out more, but I wonder why did they wait until so recently to go from just extorting Local 621 president to trying to steal from the benefit fund. Wouldn't you wanna start earlier especially considering it was easier to do these kinds of extortions earlier? Also how come they wanted to go after the benefit fund first and not use their influence to extort contractors for kick-backs, the more classic labor racketeering endeavor?

by **Wiseguy** » Mon Nov 01, 2021 9:57 am

nizarsoccer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 5:07 am
Pmac2 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 4:20 am shaking down the union guy for part of his salary is just fucking nuts unless its a no show job but i doubt it cause he was a high ranking official so he works the union standard 40hrs aweek. all the little scams they could pull they go for the guys paycheck dumb
Well Vincent Eposito personally extorted over ten thousand dollars a year from the senior union official leading Local 2D, so it's part of the shakedown playbook. Plus clearly they wanted to take it another level with the benefit fund extortion, just didn't the time to complete it.

In both the Genovese and Colombo cases, union infiltration went back to at least the early 2000s. In the Genovese case, they were also pulling those other scams with the union, i.e. soliciting and accepting bribes, steering union benefit plans into investments in exchange for kickbacks, etc.

by **nizarsoccer** » Mon Nov 01, 2021 5:07 am

Pmac2 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 4:20 am shaking down the union guy for part of his salary is just fucking nuts unless its a no show job but i doubt it cause he was a high ranking official so he works the union standard 40hrs aweek. all the little scams they could pull they go for the guys paycheck dumb

Well Vincent Eposito personally extorted over ten thousand dollars a year from the senior union official leading Local 2D, so it's part of the shakedown playbook. Plus clearly they wanted to take it another level with the benefit fund extortion, just didn't the time to complete it.

by **Pmac2** » Mon Nov 01, 2021 4:23 am

bezos should have put the colombos to work breaking up these amazon factories unionzing around nyc

by **Pmac2** » Mon Nov 01, 2021 4:20 am

shaking down the union guy for part of his salary is just fucking nuts unless its a no show job but i doubt it cause he was a high ranking official so he works the union standard 40hrs aweek. all the little scams they could pull they go for the guys paycheck dumb

by **Pogo The Clown** » Sun Oct 31, 2021 8:59 pm

And nothing screams fairness as letting a guy who has been a career criminal for 70 years out on the streets yet again to prey on society.

Pogo

by **Tonyd621** » Sun Oct 31, 2021 7:36 pm

Dave65827 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 5:35 pm Yeah we don’t get why hardened career criminals that can order dozens to commit acts of violence should be released

Russo gets tied to a bed? Boo hoo. Shouldn’t be a boss of a fucking criminal organization

Orena has to die in prison for his crimes? Boo hoo. Shouldn’t have ordered all those murders

The point at issue of early release is that it's arbitrary. There is no fair process eventhough it's fairness is what makes the people believe in the justice system

by **TommyNoto** » Sun Oct 31, 2021 5:19 pm

jmack wrote: ↑Sun Oct 31, 2021 4:26 pm
jimmy_beans8 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 31, 2021 7:58 am Alpo jus got killed in my. ...(allegedly)
He did…

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com ... ve-by/amp/

Holy shit that’s crazy

by **TSNYC** » Sun Oct 31, 2021 4:42 pm

Ryan98366 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 31, 2021 9:59 am The purpose of bail is to make sure Russo shows up. They are using his track record as a criminal against him. How about his track record of ALWAYS SHOWING up to his trials and sentencing in the past? FUCK THE FEDS. Such low life. Shackling an 86 year old man to a bed for a non-violent crime when he always shows up to court.

His bail should have been $10,000.

The primary pretrial detention consideration is dangerousness to the community; continuing to extort, etc. The so called flight risk is never really the consecration in mob related cases as they’re all local guys for most part. It’s whether they’re charged with violent crimes and have violent histories which make them more likely to dangers to the community. I’m not saying I think he is or isn’t a danger, but that’s the consideration and that’s what the lawyers are going to argue in all these hearings.

by **jmack** » Sun Oct 31, 2021 4:26 pm

jimmy_beans8 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 31, 2021 7:58 am Alpo jus got killed in my. ...(allegedly)

He did…

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com ... ve-by/amp/

by **joeycigars** » Sun Oct 31, 2021 4:14 pm

Dapper_Don wrote: ↑Sun Oct 31, 2021 9:50 am
joeycigars wrote: ↑Sat Oct 30, 2021 7:17 pm
Dapper_Don wrote: ↑Sat Oct 30, 2021 6:15 pm
joeycigars wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 9:38 am
Dapper_Don wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 4:43 am Thanks for posting

Junior Gotti also had $10M bail back in the late 90s, he also had another bail package of $7M in 2005. The $10M figure was one of the largest (if not the biggest) in the country at that time.
JR Gotti paid for 4 trials + Bail Vig on 10 million and federal security detail , they tried to drain him he still has money ,
i hear that, i read his book the other day, it was ok, an interesting take from his end on things. good things to say about a few guys like vinny gorgeous who he bumped into in the can a few times

Dapper_Don and Burno187 in the same thread gave me a flashback ,Nice to read both of you guys ...Respecting the old school wisdom
Whats the good word buddy? I also consider you one of the OG's from these forums.Hope all is well on your end.

All good Dap,Peace and health to all good people here

by **nizarsoccer** » Sun Oct 31, 2021 1:14 pm

Really curious as to the time these guys are looking at. Russo got 33 months in 2011 and he is even less involved in this indictment. Ralph DiMatteo seems screwed and will probably get hit hardest from the administration since he had the most direct involvement.

by **desertdog** » Sun Oct 31, 2021 1:02 pm

Ryan98366 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 31, 2021 9:59 am The purpose of bail is to make sure Russo shows up. They are using his track record as a criminal against him. How about his track record of ALWAYS SHOWING up to his trials and sentencing in the past? FUCK THE FEDS. Such low life. Shackling an 86 year old man to a bed for a non-violent crime when he always shows up to court.

His bail should have been $10,000.

The feds are lowlifes and a murderer is a good guy? Who raised you?

by **nizarsoccer** » Sun Oct 31, 2021 10:47 am

Pmac2 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 31, 2021 10:44 am He'll drag his case out till hes deemed unfit for trial or dies

Only way he is dying a free man now unless he somehow has the genetics of Sonny.

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