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by B. » Fri Sep 20, 2024 9:34 pm
by NorthBuffalo » Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:05 pm
by pat_marcy » Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:05 pm
by Coloboy » Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:38 pm
pat_marcy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 2:21 pm If I want to ask any further questions what forum is the best to do it in? Or best forum to go through for its history and making ceremonies etc
by Snakes » Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:35 pm
NorthBuffalo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:32 pm My personal view is that Chicago already had its own thing in motion well prior to Luciano - and they continued doing things their way throughout the rest of the century until modern day. Guys like Murray Humphreys and Ralph Pierce appear to have been literal overseers of multiple italians who were 'made.' It always seems the ceremony came and went based on the boss and each crew acted similar to an independent family. I highly doubt any of the 'only a made guy can introduce another made guy' stuff ever existed there. My two cents and from what I hear from people in Chicago I consider informed is that the Outfit is dead - the remnants are largely independent crews. There is no formal boss and while there are working relationships between crews with sporadic old school busts here and there, its largely a thing of the past. However, the guys who do exist today in Chicago are quite interesting.
by NorthBuffalo » Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:32 pm
by Cosmik_Debris » Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:28 pm
by PolackTony » Fri Sep 20, 2024 11:23 am
Snakes wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 10:57 am PolackTony wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 10:34 am pat_marcy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 5:48 am So when you say members this is just Italians yes? Cause over the years they’ve had people like gus Alex, humphries etc who are not Italian obviously but you’d say they were members of the outfit “The outfit” is just a synonym for “Cosa Nostra”/mafia (used all over the country also, not at all unique or particular to Chicago). Alex, Humphreys, et al., were *not* members, they were valuable and highly respected associates, as every Family had. *Members* doesn’t mean “Italians” — it means “made guys”, i.e., inducted members of the mafia. There were always Italian guys who were associates and not made guys (all members are Italian, or at least half-Italian in a couple of cases, but not all Italians are members). I do get what he is saying, as I think guys like Schweihs were considered part of the Outfit from a certain point of view. I don't want to get too much into previously (well) trod territory, but I think it was slightly different in Chicago as they were rarely referred to (internally or externally) as a "family," so I think it was easier for a non-made member to be considered "part" of the Outfit than it would be for a non-made member to be considered "part" of the Gambino Family (as opposed to "with" the Gambino Family). The Outfit is certainly an LCN organization, but I think the terminology does kind of blur the line at times.
PolackTony wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 10:34 am pat_marcy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 5:48 am So when you say members this is just Italians yes? Cause over the years they’ve had people like gus Alex, humphries etc who are not Italian obviously but you’d say they were members of the outfit “The outfit” is just a synonym for “Cosa Nostra”/mafia (used all over the country also, not at all unique or particular to Chicago). Alex, Humphreys, et al., were *not* members, they were valuable and highly respected associates, as every Family had. *Members* doesn’t mean “Italians” — it means “made guys”, i.e., inducted members of the mafia. There were always Italian guys who were associates and not made guys (all members are Italian, or at least half-Italian in a couple of cases, but not all Italians are members).
pat_marcy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 5:48 am So when you say members this is just Italians yes? Cause over the years they’ve had people like gus Alex, humphries etc who are not Italian obviously but you’d say they were members of the outfit
Snakes wrote: I think guys like Schweihs were considered part of the Outfit from a certain point of view.
by Snakes » Fri Sep 20, 2024 10:57 am
by PolackTony » Fri Sep 20, 2024 10:38 am
7digits wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:47 pm He literally says members. I will post it
by PolackTony » Fri Sep 20, 2024 10:34 am
by Ivan » Fri Sep 20, 2024 9:26 am
Wiseguy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 8:44 am That quote regarding DeLaurentis is suspect too being as the New York families never had 300 members each.
by Snakes » Fri Sep 20, 2024 8:53 am
Wiseguy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 8:44 am That quote regarding DeLaurentis is suspect too being as the New York families never had 300 members each. If you look at the figures from the FBI from 1984 to 1999, they only ranged from 41-51 members. Though to be fair, I tried to make a list a while back of members who were alive since 1999 and there were 58 names.
by Wiseguy » Fri Sep 20, 2024 8:44 am
by Snakes » Fri Sep 20, 2024 5:59 am
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