THE BLACK HAND FORUM

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:18 am

Adam wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:29 am

Ivan wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:50 am

Adam wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 5:25 am Just curious, but does a lot of it seem not that impressive even compared to Stanfa in the 90s? Who had a pretty decent legitimate food import company and diner.

True, but the Merlino guys are way more competent at being criminals than the Stanfa people were IMHO.

Then again I think the "gang that couldn't shoot straight" narrative about the Stanfa years tends to downplay a lot of serious mob business that was going down under him. I think B. has mentioned this before.

True. Not going to try to prop up the incompetent Stanfa organization, but the Avena tapes do show multi million dollar trash hauling issues, price fixing involving hundreds of stores, Stanfa and Joey Chang meeting with large scale heroin dealers. They go away and the next year or so Natale is essentially doing street meth sales and Merlino is doing fell off the truck baby formula sales.

In fairness to Natale and Merlino, Stanfa was just mediating disputes with other families. He was not actually running any of those rockets himself. In terms of rackets the Stanfa Crew never amounted to more than collecting street taxes and whatever gambling some of the old timers had. They were brokesters. Veasey was making only a few hundreds dollars a week.


Pogo

Adam wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:29 am

Ivan wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:50 am

Adam wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 5:25 am Just curious, but does a lot of it seem not that impressive even compared to Stanfa in the 90s? Who had a pretty decent legitimate food import company and diner.

True, but the Merlino guys are way more competent at being criminals than the Stanfa people were IMHO.

Then again I think the "gang that couldn't shoot straight" narrative about the Stanfa years tends to downplay a lot of serious mob business that was going down under him. I think B. has mentioned this before.

True. Not going to try to prop up the incompetent Stanfa organization, but the Avena tapes do show multi million dollar trash hauling issues, price fixing involving hundreds of stores, Stanfa and Joey Chang meeting with large scale heroin dealers. They go away and the next year or so Natale is essentially doing street meth sales and Merlino is doing fell off the truck baby formula sales.

Ivan wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:50 am

Adam wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 5:25 am Just curious, but does a lot of it seem not that impressive even compared to Stanfa in the 90s? Who had a pretty decent legitimate food import company and diner.

True, but the Merlino guys are way more competent at being criminals than the Stanfa people were IMHO.

Then again I think the "gang that couldn't shoot straight" narrative about the Stanfa years tends to downplay a lot of serious mob business that was going down under him. I think B. has mentioned this before.

Adam wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 5:25 am Just curious, but does a lot of it seem not that impressive even compared to Stanfa in the 90s? Who had a pretty decent legitimate food import company and diner.

NJShore4Life wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 11:42 am They all have businesses….

Marty’s got a ticket business (First Fan Tickets) , Dom’s got a restaurant his Mom runs for him, Real Estate , and T-shirt businesses, Mikey Lance has rental properties, Goggs has Contracting Business, Nicodemo has Real Estate , Uncle Joe Towing company, Borgesi has LED lighting/Safety Consulting firm/House Flipping Business (ARMM Investments, LLC) Mazzone Personal Training Business, Sonny owns bar, Lucibello owns bar, Salvo owns great well known restaurant/bar at the shore that he’s always physically working hard, Chang doesn’t own the newsstand anymore but has Contracting Business/ T-shirt Business, Baldino owns Philip’s Cheesesteaks (which was started in 80s by his Uncle Phil Narducci hence the name), etc just to name a few off the top of my head.

All legit businesses….

-Dante

PHL_Mob wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 6:46 am Where does Gaeton and Sonny have bars? You talking about the pod Cholly Bars and Broadway?

CornerBoy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 7:07 am these businesses these guys have can't be worth that much.... no?

Like ligambi, I'm sure does NOT have 30 trucks lol and how many ppl actually hire borgesi's firm?

Chucky wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 2:43 pm That wikileaks article said that Ligambi and Staino had real estate interests in Florida