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Re: Mob Members who had their sons, brothers or fathers killed.

by Dwalin2014 » Wed Aug 25, 2021 10:14 pm

In 1982, when Colombo family member Joseph Peraino was wounded and his son, Joseph Jr, was killed, wasn't his brother Anthony the one who ordered it? There was a documentary series episode about that years ago, from the series "Nothing personal" with Steve Schirripa.

Re: Mob Members who had their sons, brothers or fathers killed.

by Ed » Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:34 pm

KC mobster Carl Gurera, the father of LCN member Joseph Gurera, was killed by his father-in-law and brothers-in-law. The Mangiaracina father and sons were connected or made. However, the dispute was personal, not LCN politics.

Re: Mob Members who had their sons, brothers or fathers killed.

by Pogo The Clown » Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:26 pm

In one of those mob documentaries they said that the son in law beat Castellano's daughter and later on she had a miscarriage. Castellano naturally blamed him for it.


Pogo

Re: Mob Members who had their sons, brothers or fathers killed.

by desertdog » Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:30 pm

Didn't know 'big Paul' killed his son in law...
I thought it was just a guy dating his daughter, supposedly the guy said Paul looked like Frank Perdue (the chicken man),
didn't know Pauly was that sensitive.

Re: Mob Members who had their sons, brothers or fathers killed.

by Villain » Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:53 am

PolackTony wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:13 am At the most generous, there is simply nothing to indicate any familial link between Torrio and Moresco, apart from this longstanding narrative that he was her (or Colosimo’s) nephew. Seems pretty unlikely to me that that there was any unknown blood relation between her and Torrio, at least, as they didn’t even come from the same region in Italy.

A possible link could’ve been via Torrio’s stepfather, Salvatore Caputo, who was Calabrese. After Torrio’s biological father died, Torrio’s mother, Maria Castelluccio, emigrated to the US where she married Caputo in NYC. They had three more kids together. Caputo was a grocer and, reputedly, a bootlegger himself. According to his naturalization records, Caputo was from Zinga, Crotone, Calabria, and I don’t see any familial link between him and Moresco’s family (who, of course, were from Cosenza province). Vittoria did have a bunch of siblings, maybe one of them married someone related to Caputo, who knows, but when I looked into it I didn’t find anything.

My guess is that perhaps Torrio or someone else told people in Chicago that he was related to Moresco to explain his transfer there. My suspicion is that Colosimo and Moresco were linked to some old Camorra/Piccioteria-type of Southern Mainlander criminal network. Perhaps Caputo had some links to that world also, though certainly Torrio had other more clear-cut underworld connections such as Paul Kelly and Frankie Yale.
Thanks and also nice theory. Once it was also mentioned that it mightve been some of Colosimos associates (maybe Caputo or maybe someone else) related to his family but still no direct connection or legit evidence. Thats why your theory regarding Torrio being simply a part of large national criminal network sounds quite plausible.

Re: Mob Members who had their sons, brothers or fathers killed.

by richard_belding » Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:32 am

Sub topics since not direct with the OP's but:


in laws- The Ruggiano's and the murder of Frank Boccia, Gravano and his brother in law, Castellano and his son in law

you have the examples of Mancuso and Rastelli linked to the murders of their own wives

Also family members accusing their own for murder. One that sticks out is Frank Pasqua wrongly accusing his own father as the killer of Michael Meldish

Re: Mob Members who had their sons, brothers or fathers killed.

by PolackTony » Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:13 am

At the most generous, there is simply nothing to indicate any familial link between Torrio and Moresco, apart from this longstanding narrative that he was her (or Colosimo’s) nephew. Seems pretty unlikely to me that that there was any unknown blood relation between her and Torrio, at least, as they didn’t even come from the same region in Italy.

A possible link could’ve been via Torrio’s stepfather, Salvatore Caputo, who was Calabrese. After Torrio’s biological father died, Torrio’s mother, Maria Castelluccio, emigrated to the US where she married Caputo in NYC. They had three more kids together. Caputo was a grocer and, reputedly, a bootlegger himself. According to his naturalization records, Caputo was from Zinga, Crotone, Calabria, and I don’t see any familial link between him and Moresco’s family (who, of course, were from Cosenza province). Vittoria did have a bunch of siblings, maybe one of them married someone related to Caputo, who knows, but when I looked into it I didn’t find anything.

My guess is that perhaps Torrio or someone else told people in Chicago that he was related to Moresco to explain his transfer there. My suspicion is that Colosimo and Moresco were linked to some old Camorra/Piccioteria-type of Southern Mainlander criminal network. Perhaps Caputo had some links to that world also, though certainly Torrio had other more clear-cut underworld connections such as Paul Kelly and Frankie Yale.

Re: Mob Members who had their sons, brothers or fathers killed.

by Villain » Wed Aug 25, 2021 10:20 am

I think its still hard to determinate whether there was a blood relation between Torrio and the Morescos....Colosimos wife

Re: Mob Members who had their sons, brothers or fathers killed.

by Pogo The Clown » Wed Aug 25, 2021 9:35 am

I had always read that Torrio was the nephew of Colosimo's wife and that she invited him to come to Chicago (from New York). None of that is accurate? Thanks.


Pogo

Re: Mob Members who had their sons, brothers or fathers killed.

by PolackTony » Wed Aug 25, 2021 9:29 am

Pogo The Clown wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:30 am The original poster is asking about mobsters who killed their own relatives.


Johnny Torrio had his uncle (by marriage) Big Jim Colosimo killed.


Pogo
There’s no evidence that Torrio and Colosimo had any familial relation, this seems to be purely apocryphal. Torrio was born in Basilicata to Baresi parents, while Colosimo’s wife, Vittoria Moresco, was from Colosimi, Calabria, as was Colosimo.

Re: Mob Members who had their sons, brothers or fathers killed.

by Pogo The Clown » Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:30 am

The original poster is asking about mobsters who killed their own relatives.


Johnny Torrio had his uncle (by marriage) Big Jim Colosimo killed.


Pogo

Re: Mob Members who had their sons, brothers or fathers killed.

by furiofromnaples » Wed Aug 25, 2021 6:50 am

davidf1989 wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:44 am
Pmac2 wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:39 am Persico had to ok the hit. Something the guy was stealing he was a bypass member also
Are you referring to Joe Brewster?
https://historica.fandom.com/wiki/Joseph_DeDomenico

Joe Brewster was killed because become a born again cristian and the Colombos feared he could speak on his life in the mob.

Re: Mob Members who had their sons, brothers or fathers killed.

by davidf1989 » Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:44 am

Pmac2 wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:39 am Persico had to ok the hit. Something the guy was stealing he was a bypass member also
Are you referring to Joe Brewster?

Re: Mob Members who had their sons, brothers or fathers killed.

by Pmac2 » Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:39 am

Persico had to ok the hit. Something the guy was stealing he was a bypass member also

Re: Mob Members who had their sons, brothers or fathers killed.

by Pmac2 » Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:38 am

There a guy in the colombos he was greg scarpa best guy and his father was a gambino member. Greg scarpa jr killed the guy. The father was broken but remained in the life well after

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