THE BLACK HAND FORUM

[quote=OlBlueEyesClub post_id=205515 time=1630439261 user_id=4204]
I’m just remembering that Baltimore was said to be under Gambino control, not control persay, but the Gambinos specifically had ties to Baltimore, and only just now realizing the correlation with that and Stanfa choosing to hide out there.
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Yea after he served the time he went to Bmore and did not return to Philly until 95% of the family from the time of the hit was dead or in jail.

I’m just remembering that Baltimore was said to be under Gambino control, not control persay, but the Gambinos specifically had ties to Baltimore, and only just now realizing the correlation with that and Stanfa choosing to hide out there.

Def in on it. He stayed in Bmore for a reason.

[quote=davidf1989 post_id=204077 time=1629113463 user_id=7101]
[b]there has been no evidence to suggest Stanfa was one of the conspirators with the hit on Bruno.[/b] what would he have to gain? I think that it it is against Commission Rules to kill your own boss. Gigante, Tieri and the Genovese family had Caponigro killed and would have done the same thing to Stanfa if he was involved.
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There’s a lot of it actually. Though it’s all circumstantial, who he associated himself with before and after Bruno’s death. The fact that he was in NY with the main two guys behind the plot in Caponigro & Sindone meeting with the Genovese says a lot, for a minor lowly ranked soldier, that’s some honor. He was subpoenaed to answer questions in relation to the Bruno murder, where he stated he knew nothing about it and described himself as a working man. They asked him about him being paid by Frank Sindone, one has to wonder what the basis was for that question, but he answered basically saying “how could he give me money when I’m so broke”, not those exact words. Sindone being one of the prime targets for the authorities and the investigation on Bruno’s murder, Stanfa was specifically asked what the reasons were behind him, Sindone & Caponigro taking trips between Newark & NY in the following days of Bruno’s murder. And this was the perjury charge he was convicted on. All of this information is put forth by George Anastasia & The Goodfella tapes.

Speaking of Stanfa, Frank Martines appealed for release from his life sentence citing COVID concerns and his success with rehabilitation but it was rejected this last February.

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Of course Stanfa was in on it , Stanfa was driving a Boss it was no just by chance , Long john set this part up at Cous little Italy ,Stanfa could have fucked up the whole hit if he wasnt in on it , No one is taking that chance on a boss when Stanfa would most likely go along , 100% Stanfa was all in according to occam's razor,

This is my reasoning ...You take the driver out 1st always in a hit in a car common sense , Then they cant get away , These guys where known to use crash cars ,backup shooters , Backup guns , Why leave a driver able to speed away ?

Yeah the fact that he went to NY after and was with the barracuda makes me believe he had to be in on it

He was one of the conspirators. I'm convinced. I'm sold much more by who he was seen with immediately afterwards, multiple times. If he wasn't in on the conspiracy, he took seven years in prison for perjury and one year working in a pizza parlor on the lam for nothing. Besides all of the people he met with after the killing, it was certainly the administrations prevailing opinion that he was involved with the hit. John Gotti doesn't reach out to ask for a pass if there wasn't knowledge that Stanfa was destined for the hit parade due to his involvement in Bruno's murder. Leonnetti had no doubt that Stanfa was involved.

there has been no evidence to suggest Stanfa was one of the conspirators with the hit on Bruno. what would he have to gain? I think that it it is against Commission Rules to kill your own boss. Gigante, Tieri and the Genovese family had Caponigro killed and would have done the same thing to Stanfa if he was involved.

Maybe stanfa seen the shooter. Thats why they went to visit him in the hospital to tell him he didnt see who did it and that he wasnt a intended target

Never seen convincing evidence that Stanfa was involved. He was the driver and a surviving firsthand witness so he would naturally be looked at as a suspect but nothing has ever come out except for circumstance.

People have assumed that Stanfa was complicit because the Commission and other Philly leaders met him after the murder. Never understood that -- they would want his account whether he was a suspect or not. Of course he'd meet with the people investigating the murder.

People would be saying the same thing about Tommy Billotti if he survived the Castellano hit and the conspirators never cooperated.

Stanfa got hit with buckshot, abandoned his own car at the scene, and ran straight to his own house, none of which are consistent with someone who deliberately set Angelo Bruno up that night. He was an outsider to most of the family and Angelo Bruno was one of his closest friends in the organization. Phil Leonetti said Bruno had a reputation for favoring Sicilians. I don't see what Stanfa's incentive would be to participate unless he was explicitly told the Commission ordered it.

[quote="Pogo The Clown" post_id=204061 time=1629080224 user_id=53]
From all accounts Stanfa ended up as the driver by pure chance. Bruno's regular driver (Long John Martorano, who was likely in on the plot) backed out and Bruno asked Stanfa to drive him home. Also it is written in Blood Oath that the car didn't have power windows and that Bruno lowered it himself to let the smoke out.


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Yeah, Freselone said Bruno also had a habit of lowering the window a few inches and hooking his fingers over the hood of the car.

And, as others have pointed out, who the hell is just going to sit in the driver's seat, roll down the window, and just wait for the shotgun blast that's coming in your direction? If I remember right, Stanfa got hit with some of it.

I don’t believe Stanfa was in on this killing. It was just chance that night…

The killer was waiting at Bruno’s house. It didn’t matter who drove him Bruno was going to end up at the same place that night.

Also, give me a break about “lowering the window.” A shotgun blast doesn’t require the window down. It would kill with the window up or down.

From all accounts Stanfa ended up as the driver by pure chance. Bruno's regular driver (Long John Martorano, who was likely in on the plot) backed out and Bruno asked Stanfa to drive him home. Also it is written in Blood Oath that the car didn't have power windows and that Bruno lowered it himself to let the smoke out.


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