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Re: which made man did Jimmy the Gent pay up to?

by Villain » Tue Aug 10, 2021 8:04 am

B. wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 12:20 am
Villain wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 7:01 am Did Burke ever collect from made guys? Like for example some of Vario's soldiers or some made guys from other families?
Vinnie Asaro's loan business was borrowed from Jimmy Burke's larger operation and Asaro had to pay interest like anyone. It was a favorable rate, but made members have to honor the arrangement like anyone if the associate is well-connected. Not that rare, as some associates have bigger and more successful businesses and rackets than made members and have the right to get a return on their investment, especially guys like Burke and Joe Watts.
Great explanation and thanks for clearing that up, B. Cheers.

Re: which made man did Jimmy the Gent pay up to?

by desertdog » Tue Aug 10, 2021 7:59 am

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 11:12 am
desertdog wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:52 am I always wondered the same thing, did he get permission from Vario to wack 12 innocent guys, they weren't rats. Why would Vario allow that?
After 5-6 of the crew got killed, didn't the rest of them
see the writing on the wall'? I would have left town, at least TRY to survive.
It was the biggest heist ever at the time the media and feds were all over it. Jimmy and Paulie panicked and killed everyone they could. Smart play if you don’t get caught


This is what caused the downfall of the Mafia..Why show loyalty to people who kill you for no good reason.

Re: which made man did Jimmy the Gent pay up to?

by B. » Tue Aug 10, 2021 12:20 am

Villain wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 7:01 am Did Burke ever collect from made guys? Like for example some of Vario's soldiers or some made guys from other families?
Vinnie Asaro's loan business was borrowed from Jimmy Burke's larger operation and Asaro had to pay interest like anyone. It was a favorable rate, but made members have to honor the arrangement like anyone if the associate is well-connected. Not that rare, as some associates have bigger and more successful businesses and rackets than made members and have the right to get a return on their investment, especially guys like Burke and Joe Watts.

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As for Burke, in the Asaro trial Sal Vitale said he knew Burke to be a Colombo associate while others said Lucchese. This more or less fits other info about Burke having been a Colombo associate who transferred to the Vario crew. His partner and close friend was Checko Brown Fusco, an associate of the Aloi crew.

Re: which made man did Jimmy the Gent pay up to?

by davidf1989 » Mon Aug 09, 2021 3:16 pm

Didn't Jimmy Burke had to share the proceeds of the Lufthansa heist with John Gotti?

This article mentions that the sixth gunman in the heist was Paolo LiCastri from the Gambinos.

https://www.cosanostranews.com/2013/08/ ... hansa.html

Re: which made man did Jimmy the Gent pay up to?

by Ryan98366 » Mon Aug 09, 2021 12:59 pm

desertdog wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:52 am I always wondered the same thing, did he get permission from Vario to wack 12 innocent guys, they weren't rats. Why would Vario allow that?
After 5-6 of the crew got killed, didn't the rest of them
see the writing on the wall'? I would have left town, at least TRY to survive.
Vario got more money. Doubt Jimmy Burke asked for permission.

Re: which made man did Jimmy the Gent pay up to?

by johnny_scootch » Mon Aug 09, 2021 11:12 am

desertdog wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:52 am I always wondered the same thing, did he get permission from Vario to wack 12 innocent guys, they weren't rats. Why would Vario allow that?
After 5-6 of the crew got killed, didn't the rest of them
see the writing on the wall'? I would have left town, at least TRY to survive.
It was the biggest heist ever at the time the media and feds were all over it. Jimmy and Paulie panicked and killed everyone they could. Smart play if you don’t get caught

Re: which made man did Jimmy the Gent pay up to?

by desertdog » Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:52 am

I always wondered the same thing, did he get permission from Vario to wack 12 innocent guys, they weren't rats. Why would Vario allow that?
After 5-6 of the crew got killed, didn't the rest of them
see the writing on the wall'? I would have left town, at least TRY to survive.

Re: which made man did Jimmy the Gent pay up to?

by ThutmosisChen » Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:19 am

Thanks everyone, this clears up a lot for me. My next question is, who did the guys Jimmy whacked after the Lufthansa heist report to? Those guys are mostly mob associates, one of them was even connected to the Gambinos (Paolo LiCastri), wouldn`t the mobsters whom those guys are connected to be mad since their subordinates are murdered by Burke?

Re: which made man did Jimmy the Gent pay up to?

by johnny_scootch » Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:01 am

Villain wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 7:01 am Did Burke ever collect from made guys? Like for example some of Vario's soldiers or some made guys from other families?
Sending an unmade guy to collect from a made guy is sign of disrespect even if you’re sending Jimmy Burke.

Also saw someone said Jimmy was the street boss of Paulies crew…that’s false. Jimmy had his own crew of guys and he absolutely did not give orders to the Lucchese family members that made up the Vario crew. Paulies number 2 was always his brother and then Rugsy towards the end.

Re: which made man did Jimmy the Gent pay up to?

by Villain » Mon Aug 09, 2021 7:01 am

Did Burke ever collect from made guys? Like for example some of Vario's soldiers or some made guys from other families?

Re: which made man did Jimmy the Gent pay up to?

by Hired_Goonz » Mon Aug 09, 2021 6:50 am

In his book D'Arco described a situation where Paulie asked him to mediate a dispute between Jimmy and a couple of hijackers over some score they had pulled together. Even though Burke ended up killing the two guys later on lol it would suggest that Vario was the guy he was on record with seeing as how that's who he went to in an attempt to resolve the beef.

Either way Jimmy clearly had status on par with a made man or at least as close as an Irishman could ever be. He was a big earner and extremely capable of murder. Gaspar Valenti in his testimony referred to Asaro and Burke as "partners in crime" but in his descriptions of their activities, Vinnie comes off as the junior partner. In fact his loan sharking operation was funded with money from Burke.

Re: which made man did Jimmy the Gent pay up to?

by MightyDR » Sun Aug 08, 2021 9:38 pm

In Wiseguy, it says the Luccheses and the Colombos negotiated to share Burke's services. I assume the captain in the Colombos would be Buster Aloi, since according to Henry Hill, he ran the airport for the Colombo family at the time.

But it's pretty safe to say he was on record with Vario. Hill said that "Jimmy always brought in money for Paulie and the crew." and that Burke ran hijacking at the airport with Vario's OK. He also refers to Vario as "our" boss when talking about who he and the crew had to give a piece to after a score.

Re: which made man did Jimmy the Gent pay up to?

by OcSleeper » Sun Aug 08, 2021 2:57 pm

I asked this recently here in the general question thread and was told he was on record with Vario. I've also read here that he was on record with the Vinnie Aloi crew.

Re: which made man did Jimmy the Gent pay up to?

by eboli » Sun Aug 08, 2021 2:12 pm

I always assumed he was direct with Vario. Burke was somewhat of an outlier because he was bossing other associates and criminals who gravitated around the crew. I found it interesting that Sal Vitale knew him as a Colombo associate who was close to Asaro.

Re: which made man did Jimmy the Gent pay up to?

by Grouchy Sinatra » Sun Aug 08, 2021 1:51 pm

Pretty sure he kicked up to Paulie. He was "with" Paulie, so to speak. He was also basically the crew's unofficial street captain. That crew was similar to being it's own small family, with Paulie as boss and Jimmy as street boss. Considering the rackets and money they made, and power they had in Queens and Brooklyn.

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