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sam has been off , he talks to many exmob guys and gets refresher course's..

The DeCavalcantes had been represented by the Genovese family on the Commission and it transferred to the Gambinos, so you have to wonder how that played into Rotondo. Anthony says it was after his father's death that Gotti asserted more dominance over NJ, but I doubt that's when the representation switched. The Gambinos must have already been repping the DeCavalcantes and used that as an opportunity. Rotondo's murder gave John D'Amato more influence and he was Gotti's man so you can see where it worked in Gotti's favor.

Anthony Rotondo said he first thought the Gambinos did it but later changed his mind about that. What's amazing is Rotondo's son and other important CWs from Brooklyn / Staten Island from that time have no idea who actually killed him. We know all about sneak hits that happened in the 1980s / 90s between the Gambinos and Luccheses yet the Rotondo murder is still a mystery.

You also have to figure the DeCavalcantes promoted Rotondo's son to replace him as captain. Seems unlikely the DeCavalcantes would do that if they had been the ones who killed him. We don't have the same look into the Genovese family from that time, so could well have been them.

In Sammy's video he says repreatedly that Rotondo was the underboss. He was off about some of his dates, though... he said Rotondo was Annunziata's captain in 1974 and I don't think either one of them was even made yet.

Pmac2 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:01 pm i asked on sammy's youtube page on friday who killed vincent rotondo sure anuff he just did a long ass vlog on him gonna watch rite now

He talked about it on his last Q&A last Thursday as well (31:13)

https://youtu.be/SfGVO9GWHx8

If Genoveses took over waterfront after that it must have been chin and also decavs with gambinos chin hates gotti wants to take away power from all around him…

Pmac2 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:41 pm 30mins later sammy says the guy jimmy rotondo was a sweat heart and it was a sneak job. even says john gotti personally took the murder to a commission meeting and sammy says he wasnt at the meeting. john gotti wanted to know who killed rotondo. sammy goes on to say nothing really but he had alot of power on the jersey docks. once hes dead genovese have it to themselves. so it was most likely Chin. he set into motion the murder og new england underboss bill grasso to in 89 but the shooter was a patriarca soldier but there was a genovese guy in the van and they were driving to meet another genovese guy for a sitdown. crazy the hit was never solved it deffinitly must have been the westside cause all the other families had rats and it would have been solved

Grasso was going to meet Carlo M. up in Springfield supposedly...

30mins later sammy says the guy jimmy rotondo was a sweat heart and it was a sneak job. even says john gotti personally took the murder to a commission meeting and sammy says he wasnt at the meeting. john gotti wanted to know who killed rotondo. sammy goes on to say nothing really but he had alot of power on the jersey docks. once hes dead genovese have it to themselves. so it was most likely Chin. he set into motion the murder og new england underboss bill grasso to in 89 but the shooter was a patriarca soldier but there was a genovese guy in the van and they were driving to meet another genovese guy for a sitdown. crazy the hit was never solved it deffinitly must have been the westside cause all the other families had rats and it would have been solved

i asked on sammy's youtube page on friday who killed vincent rotondo sure anuff he just did a long ass vlog on him gonna watch rite now

bronx wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 5:15 am yes, when killed they found agents card in his pocket

Capo shot D'Amato right in the car when they picked him up right? Kinda like Patty DeFillipo did to George From Canada...

Pmac2 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:41 am Think in Anthony rotondos testimony he said the Gambino family was responsible but if Sammy said they weren't its interesting. I wonder if riggi okd the hit and another family carried it out. Like did the colombos ask riggi and he said ok. Wonder what scarface said.wasnt there a fish in newspaper in his lap or something. I think the aloi's were indicted because of the hyman guy to

The fish story is blown out of proportion...the guy mighta just been having fish for dinner.

Anthony Rotondo testimony

On Gotti's role in his father's murder
1 Q. In fact, sir, you blamed Mr. Gotti's father for your own
2 father's murder; isn't that true?
3 A. No, that's not true.
4 Q. Sir, did you meet with the government on July 29th, 2003?
5 A. It's possible.
6 Q. Do you recall telling the government that even though Gotti
7 was responsible for your father's murder; do you recall making
8 that statement?
9 A. No, I don't.
10 Q. You don't remember everything that you told the government
11 in your hundreds of debriefing sessions; do you?
12 A. No, I don't think I do.
13 Q. You don't specifically remember what you told them on
14 July 29th, 2003, two some years ago?
15 A. I don't remember making that statement, no.


2 Q. Let me that take that back from you.
3 So you had a feeling it was the five families; right?
4 A. At one point, yes.
5 Q. Well, you know for certain that the murder was mob related;
6 don't you?
7 A. Yes.
8 Q. And you believe the Mafia ruling commission in New York
9 felt your father was too powerful; isn't that true?
10 A. Yes.
11 Q. And you suspect the commission killed them for that reason;
12 don't you?
13 A. It was one the suspicions, yes.
14 Q. Mr. Gotti's father, as then boss of the Gambino family, was
15 a member of the ruling commission; wasn't he?
16 A. Correct.
17 Q. A powerful and influential member; isn't that right?
18 A. Yes, sir.
19 Q. Sir, Rudy Farone was a close friend and confidant of your
20 father; wasn't he?
21 A. Yes.
22 Q. John Riggi was boss of the DeCavalcante family when your
23 father was killed?
24 A. He was.
25 Q. To your knowledge, sir, Mr. Farone believed Gotti, Sr.
1 definitely told Mr. Riggi the reason for the killing; isn't
2 that right?
3 A. That was a possibility that we believed that, yes.
4 Q. Well, Farone specifically told you that; didn't he?
5 A. Yes, but that was just his suspicions.
6 Q. By the way, Mr. Rotondo, after your father's murder you
7 went full speed ahead with your life in the Mafia; didn't you,
8 sir?
9 A. Yes, I did.
10 Q. Kept right on stealing and extorting; right?
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. Didn't stop for a moment; did you?
13 A. No.
14 Q. In fact you actually accepted a promotion to the rank of
15 captain; didn't you?
16 A. I did.
17 Q. Captain of your dead father's crew; correct?
18 A. Correct.
19 Q. Sir, even assuming there was no way out of the La Cosa
20 Nostra, as you claimed yesterday, you certainly didn't have to
21 except a promotion; did you?
22 A. I didn't have to.
23 Q. You did that of your own free will; right?
24 No one put a gun to your head?
25 A. No.

On the Gambino family controlling the DeCavalcantes
1 Q. You also told us yesterday that many Gambino members and
2 associates, maybe about 30 to 40, attended your father's wake.
3 Do you recall that testimony?
4 A. 20 to 30, yes.
5 Q. Yet my client, John A. Gotti, wasn't among them; was he,
6 sir?
7 A. John, Jr.?
8 Q. Yes, John, Jr.
9 A. I don't believe so, no.
10 Q. Now Mr. Rotondo, besides blaming the commission, of which
11 John Gotti, Sr. was a member, for killing your father, you
12 believe Gotti, Sr. took over your own DeCavalcante family by
13 force in the late 1980s; agreed?
14 A. There wasn't any force required.
15 Q. Well, you testified previously that the Gambinos came to
16 your father's wake in a show of force; correct?
17 A. Just that show was enough, yes.
18 Q. So there was some force involved?
19 A. Implied, yes.
20 Q. In your view, sir, Gotti, Sr. relegated the DeCavalcantes
21 to a mere satellite of his own Gambino family; isn't that
22 right?
23 A. Yes.
24 Q. He made the DeCavalcantes totally subservient to himself
25 and the Gambinos; isn't that true?
1 A. Yes.
2 Q. He even directed your family to reinduct many of its
3 members; isn't that right?
4 A. Yes, we had to reinduct all of our members.
5 Q. He claimed the original induction ceremonies were
6 unorthodox and invalid; true?
7 A. Yes.
8 Q. In fact, you yourself had to go through a second induction
9 ceremony; isn't that right?
10 A. That's correct.
11 Q. Even though you were already a captain; right?
12 A. Yes, that's true.
13 Q. All, to your mind, at John Gotti, Sr.'s direction?
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. Mr. Rotondo, you also believed Gotti, Sr. and the Gambinos
16 muscled in on at least two lucrative businesses that you and/or
17 the DeCavalcantes were shaking down; correct?
18 A. There were sit downs and we lost.
19 Q. Interstate Industrial Corp?
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. South Shore Country club?
22 A. That's correct.
23 Q. And in your opinion, sir, Gotti, Sr. also installed John
24 D'Amato as his own hand-picked underboss of the DeCavalcante
25 family; isn't that right?
1 A. Yes, he did.
2 Q. Indeed, as you told us yesterday, he actually made D'Amato
3 report to him three times a week as well; right?
4 A. Two or three times a week.
5 Q. Sir, you also believed Gotti, Sr. was behind D'Amato's push
6 to appoint himself acting boss, take over the DeCavalcante
7 family and reduce you to a rank outsider; isn't that correct?
8 A. We were told that, yes.
9 Q. That's what you believed; right?
10 A. We were told that, I believed it, yes.
11 Q. Sir, the DeCavalcantes were a proud crime family; weren't
12 they?
13 A. At one time.
14 Q. Well, they were the oldest Mafia family in the country;
15 yes?
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. So as a high-ranking member of the family, all the actions
18 that you ascribed to Mr. Gotti's father humiliated and upset
19 you; fair statement?
20 A. A lot of members, yes.
21 Q. How about you?
22 A. Myself, yes.
23 Q. In fact, as you told us earlier, they made you so angry
24 that you actually killed D'Amato; correct?
25 A. As far as him taking over as boss and robbing money from
1 the other families, yes.
2 Q. Despite killing him -- I should say despite or because of
3 the fact that he was basically Gotti, Sr.'s puppet; correct?
4 A. That wasn't the reason.
5 Q. Well, you killed him even though he was Gotti, Sr.'s
6 puppet; right?
7 A. Yes.

bronx wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 5:15 am yes, when killed they found agents card in his pocket

Is that the only proof? I mean I think if you were ratting you would be more cautious. And having the card in your pocket makes it seem more casual and innocent imo

Think in Anthony rotondos testimony he said the Gambino family was responsible but if Sammy said they weren't its interesting. I wonder if riggi okd the hit and another family carried it out. Like did the colombos ask riggi and he said ok. Wonder what scarface said.wasnt there a fish in newspaper in his lap or something. I think the aloi's were indicted because of the hyman guy to

Even Sammy the bull said it was probably a coup

Chaps wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:01 am All we really know for sure is that Rotondo was on the verge of being made underboss of the DeCav’s and then got hit in front of his Brooklyn home. I always heard it was because he “introduced” an informant into the Family and the Gambino’s had a part in it. As an aside, there seemed to be a lot of conspiracies going on in that Family during that time period. John D’Amato for one. The story taken for fact is he liked the dick. Some say that wasn’t the case and it was used as an excuse to get rid of him.

Didn't a scorned girlfriend of D'Amato basically tell a trigger happy guy who was aspiring to climb the family ladder that? And he told guys who were aspiring to take over the family? Unless there's video of D'Amato blowing a guy, none of us will know, but all of the circumstantial shit around that whole thing looks like a typical set up

All we really know for sure is that Rotondo was on the verge of being made underboss of the DeCav’s and then got hit in front of his Brooklyn home. I always heard it was because he “introduced” an informant into the Family and the Gambino’s had a part in it. As an aside, there seemed to be a lot of conspiracies going on in that Family during that time period. John D’Amato for one. The story taken for fact is he liked the dick. Some say that wasn’t the case and it was used as an excuse to get rid of him.