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by **Ivan** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:59 am

PolackTony wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:41 am
Ivan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:14 am
PolackTony wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:01 pm And not to forget the Sopranos, for its deft portrayal of the seedy, inglorious modern mob era and its true to life depiction of contemporary (for the time) Ital-American tristate culture.
Though it makes me a total Fun Ruiner to say this, my big beef with the Sopranos when it comes to realism is that it's WAY too violent. An American Cosa Nostra family with that many hits in the 2000s would have more feds on the streets than members and associates. There would have been an absolute hurricane of media sensationalism, too ("the shocking true story of America's bloodiest crime family").
Yes, obviously that aspect of the show was definitely not realistic.

Now if it took place in Montreal in the 2010s the number of killings in the show would have been just about perfect!

Damn there really does need to be a serious Netflix or whatever series about the Montreal Mafia. I mean think about the Montagna hit - ex-Bonanno boss comes flying out of a house all shot up and dies trying to swim across a river. You could splice that into the "baptism hits" at the end of The Godfather and it wouldn't be out of place. At all.

Obviously a Scarfo movie needs to be made, with Stephen Graham as Scarfo. At 5'5" he's even the right height. Imagine this guy as Scarfo, I think he'd be perfect:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9TsMA46Eww

by **PolackTony** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:41 am

Ivan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:14 am
PolackTony wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:01 pm And not to forget the Sopranos, for its deft portrayal of the seedy, inglorious modern mob era and its true to life depiction of contemporary (for the time) Ital-American tristate culture.
Though it makes me a total Fun Ruiner to say this, my big beef with the Sopranos when it comes to realism is that it's WAY too violent. An American Cosa Nostra family with that many hits in the 2000s would have more feds on the streets than members and associates. There would have been an absolute hurricane of media sensationalism, too ("the shocking true story of America's bloodiest crime family").

Yes, obviously that aspect of the show was definitely not realistic.

by **Ivan** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:21 am

B. wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:07 am
Ivan wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 6:59 pm That was one of my problems with the movie. Joe Pistone is a tough, ugly, bald Italian guy. Johnny Depp wasn't right for that role at all.

He sucked as Whitey Bulger, too.
Yeah, Depp is the reason I don't automatically include it with the classics. Not even his performance, just the fact that he's a terrible fit and it distracts from the story. Michael Madsen can play a good gangster but he wasn't a good fit for Napolitano either... he'll always be Mr. Blonde to me, a cold psycho.

That was my reaction, too. He just sort of phoned in a non-psycho Mr. Blonde. Wrong personality for Napolitano.

And Depp's Whitey Bulger was just hilarious. Bulger looked and talked like an ordinary Irish-American douchebag from Boston (you can hear his voice a lot in that one documentary) but for some reason Depp chose to play him as a Dark Lord of the Sith.

Mr. Depp is a WASP from Kentucky, incidentally.

by **Ivan** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:14 am

PolackTony wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:01 pm And not to forget the Sopranos, for its deft portrayal of the seedy, inglorious modern mob era and its true to life depiction of contemporary (for the time) Ital-American tristate culture.

Though it makes me a total Fun Ruiner to say this, my big beef with the Sopranos when it comes to realism is that it's WAY too violent. An American Cosa Nostra family with that many hits in the 2000s would have more feds on the streets than members and associates. There would have been an absolute hurricane of media sensationalism, too ("the shocking true story of America's bloodiest crime family").

by **aleksandrored** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:04 am

Regarding the Sicilian Mafia, I would place Il capo dei Capi as the most faithful series.

The movie Gomorrah for me best represents the Camorra.

Someone mentioned the movie Anime nere...I'm sorry, but I think this is one of the worst movies in the mafia, I think it's so boring, I understand the proposal of the movie, but it makes me sleepy.

by B. » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:07 am

Ivan wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 6:59 pm That was one of my problems with the movie. Joe Pistone is a tough, ugly, bald Italian guy. Johnny Depp wasn't right for that role at all.

He sucked as Whitey Bulger, too.

Yeah, Depp is the reason I don't automatically include it with the classics. Not even his performance, just the fact that he's a terrible fit and it distracts from the story. Michael Madsen can play a good gangster but he wasn't a good fit for Napolitano either... he'll always be Mr. Blonde to me, a cold psycho. The dynamic between Donnie and Sonny Black in the book is important and got lost in the movie.

Pacino on the other hand... perfect. Can't imagine anyone else playing Lefty. Would have been 10x better if he was bouncing off someone other than Depp, but ah well.

John Ventimiglia (Artie from Sopranos) would have been a home run as Pistone. Looks the part and is a trained actor, would have killed it in the scenes where Donnie is frustrated with Lefty. 100% could have pulled it off but he was a nobody at the time.

by **PolackTony** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:03 pm

Though I’m sure Eboli would throw his hat in the ring for “Chicago Overcoat”:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4QDkpmj0XQ

by **PolackTony** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:01 pm

Ivan wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 6:59 pm
funkster wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:17 am
Villain wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:54 am
funkster wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:36 am Goodfellas, Casino, and the Sopranos the crown gems with HBO Gotti right behind. Donnie Brasco is solid as far as mostly getting the life right, but oof...rewatching today it's gotten pretty dated. Some seriously cheesy moments in it and bad acting.
I really hate the moment when they explain the "fuggedaboutit" term...
Yeah, i dont mind Depp normally but he was not a good fit for this.
That was one of my problems with the movie. Joe Pistone is a tough, ugly, bald Italian guy. Johnny Depp wasn't right for that role at all.

He sucked as Whitey Bulger, too.

+1 on casting Depp as Pistone, of all people.

Donnie Brasco is a great flick, but doesn’t make it into my top tier. Casino, Goodfellas, Mean Streets, A Bronx Tale, and the Gomorrah movie all do. Also GF 2, with a mention for the extensive use of Sicilianu. And not to forget the Sopranos, for its deft portrayal of the seedy, inglorious modern mob era and its true to life depiction of contemporary (for the time) Ital-American tristate culture.

by **Ivan** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 6:59 pm

funkster wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:17 am
Villain wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:54 am
funkster wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:36 am Goodfellas, Casino, and the Sopranos the crown gems with HBO Gotti right behind. Donnie Brasco is solid as far as mostly getting the life right, but oof...rewatching today it's gotten pretty dated. Some seriously cheesy moments in it and bad acting.
I really hate the moment when they explain the "fuggedaboutit" term...
Yeah, i dont mind Depp normally but he was not a good fit for this.

That was one of my problems with the movie. Joe Pistone is a tough, ugly, bald Italian guy. Johnny Depp wasn't right for that role at all.

He sucked as Whitey Bulger, too.

by **furiofromnaples** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:30 pm

Fine Pena Mai (End of Sentence:Never) is a movie on the story of Antonio Perrone in the 1970s when from simple Apulian criminal become a boss of the Sacra Corona Unita until the 1990s when was sentenced to 49 years.
Its interesting how the Apulia before the Nco create a satellite crew was a virgin territory and on the born of SCU.

by **Villain** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:25 am

funkster wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:17 am
Villain wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:54 am
funkster wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:36 am Goodfellas, Casino, and the Sopranos the crown gems with HBO Gotti right behind. Donnie Brasco is solid as far as mostly getting the life right, but oof...rewatching today it's gotten pretty dated. Some seriously cheesy moments in it and bad acting.
I really hate the moment when they explain the "fuggedaboutit" term...
Yeah, i dont mind Depp normally but he was not a good fit for this.

I completely agree

by **funkster** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:17 am

Villain wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:54 am
funkster wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:36 am Goodfellas, Casino, and the Sopranos the crown gems with HBO Gotti right behind. Donnie Brasco is solid as far as mostly getting the life right, but oof...rewatching today it's gotten pretty dated. Some seriously cheesy moments in it and bad acting.
I really hate the moment when they explain the "fuggedaboutit" term...

Yeah, i dont mind Depp normally but he was not a good fit for this.

by **Villain** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:54 am

funkster wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:36 am Goodfellas, Casino, and the Sopranos the crown gems with HBO Gotti right behind. Donnie Brasco is solid as far as mostly getting the life right, but oof...rewatching today it's gotten pretty dated. Some seriously cheesy moments in it and bad acting.

I really hate the moment when they explain the "fuggedaboutit" term...

by **motorfab** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:53 am

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:51 am
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:21 am 10th and Wolf

This was tongue in cheek by the way.

Pogo

Never dare to watch, I heard it was awful

by **Pogo The Clown** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:51 am

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:21 am 10th and Wolf

This was tongue in cheek by the way.

Pogo

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