by nizarsoccer » Fri Oct 04, 2024 2:17 pm
gohnjotti wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2024 2:00 pm
nizarsoccer wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2024 1:57 pm
gohnjotti wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 4:10 pm
Does anyone remember a wiretap or perhaps simply court testimony regarding John Gotti wanting to get into the gas tax scam, essentially asking questions to his associates on how to get involved? I seem to remember reading it in Capeci's book about Gotti but I don't have access to it right now.
https://mafiabookreviews.com/2023/06/08 ... -gasoline/
I saved the entire transcript of the conversation referenced in Capeci's book here. Galizia and Gotti discuss the gas scam initially within the context of Michael Franzese and towards the end Gotti starts talking about getting involved.
By March 1987 Anthony Morelli from the Gambino Family is already involved sit-downs involving gas disputes with Edward Dougherty where Morelli was protecting an unnamed third party. Who they are or when the Gambino's actually got their first gas/Russian associates remains a mystery to me.
I was wondering if Vic Orena may have helped Gotti into the gas scam as a favor, but if Gotti was involved by 1987 then that might be a bit early for the timeline. We know Vic was helping out Gotti at least two years later by whacking Tommy Ocera as a favor.
Orena was involved a lot earlier than I think is generally believed or Michael Franzese lets on. In the transcript, Gotti already mentions disgruntled gas associates moving to Orena's banner. In October 1985, Joseph Galizia was seen meeting with Orena and his lawyer Dennis Pappas multiples times with various gas associates. Thomas Petrizzo who was close to Orena was already surveilled meeting with Russian gas associates in November 1985 (before Franzese went to jail).
In that PBD-sponsored sit-down between him and Sammy, Michael gives a bizarre story where he claims that Orena tried to move into the gas scheme as early as 1982 with the the backing of John Gotti. Don't think that really lines up with the the actual timeline, Gotti's conversation with Galizia, etc.
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Does anyone remember a wiretap or perhaps simply court testimony regarding John Gotti wanting to get into the gas tax scam, essentially asking questions to his associates on how to get involved? I seem to remember reading it in Capeci's book about Gotti but I don't have access to it right now.
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https://mafiabookreviews.com/2023/06/08/john-gotti-bergin-hunt-tape-transcript-with-joseph-galizia-on-gasoline/
I saved the entire transcript of the conversation referenced in Capeci's book here. Galizia and Gotti discuss the gas scam initially within the context of Michael Franzese and towards the end Gotti starts talking about getting involved.
By March 1987 Anthony Morelli from the Gambino Family is already involved sit-downs involving gas disputes with Edward Dougherty where Morelli was protecting an unnamed third party. Who they are or when the Gambino's actually got their first gas/Russian associates remains a mystery to me.
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I was wondering if Vic Orena may have helped Gotti into the gas scam as a favor, but if Gotti was involved by 1987 then that might be a bit early for the timeline. We know Vic was helping out Gotti at least two years later by whacking Tommy Ocera as a favor.
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Orena was involved a lot earlier than I think is generally believed or Michael Franzese lets on. In the transcript, Gotti already mentions disgruntled gas associates moving to Orena's banner. In October 1985, Joseph Galizia was seen meeting with Orena and his lawyer Dennis Pappas multiples times with various gas associates. Thomas Petrizzo who was close to Orena was already surveilled meeting with Russian gas associates in November 1985 (before Franzese went to jail).
In that PBD-sponsored sit-down between him and Sammy, Michael gives a bizarre story where he claims that Orena tried to move into the gas scheme as early as 1982 with the the backing of John Gotti. Don't think that really lines up with the the actual timeline, Gotti's conversation with Galizia, etc.