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Re: John Gotti Jr's proffer session

by davidf1989 » Sat Jun 05, 2021 9:04 pm

Browniety86 wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:04 pm
Amershire_Ed wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:49 pm
Browniety86 wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 6:12 pm
Pmac2 wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 5:39 pm Alite testified against numerous people who got time. Charles Carnegie. That kane guy.
Alite also said Ronnie One Arm was a rat...Guys doin a life bid
Isn’t that because Ronnie One Arm said in court that he was scared of Alite or something?
Think it had something to do with Trucchio's opening arguments in his Florida case where he fired his counsel and was representing himself for a time being...
in the book Gotti's rules written by George Anastasia it mentions Trucchio putting the blame on Alite for the crimes in Florida in his opening statement.

Gotti Junior also turned on Danny Marino a rival to him and his father and Joe Watts who he believed was cooperating with the government. According to this article.

https://www.nysun.com/new-york/gotti-sa ... ith/38479/

Re: John Gotti Jr's proffer session

by Browniety86 » Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:04 pm

Amershire_Ed wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:49 pm
Browniety86 wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 6:12 pm
Pmac2 wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 5:39 pm Alite testified against numerous people who got time. Charles Carnegie. That kane guy.
Alite also said Ronnie One Arm was a rat...Guys doin a life bid
Isn’t that because Ronnie One Arm said in court that he was scared of Alite or something?
Think it had something to do with Trucchio's opening arguments in his Florida case where he fired his counsel and was representing himself for a time being...

Re: John Gotti Jr's proffer session

by Amershire_Ed » Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:49 pm

Browniety86 wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 6:12 pm
Pmac2 wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 5:39 pm Alite testified against numerous people who got time. Charles Carnegie. That kane guy.
Alite also said Ronnie One Arm was a rat...Guys doin a life bid
Isn’t that because Ronnie One Arm said in court that he was scared of Alite or something?

Re: John Gotti Jr's proffer session

by CatStevens9 » Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:40 pm

Did Junior ever get formally indicted for the Silva murder? It seems like a rock-solid case from this 302 along with the witnesses.

Re: John Gotti Jr's proffer session

by joeycigars » Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:47 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:55 pm They tried to spin it that way but he didn't walk away in 1999. He kept his Capo rank up to at least 2002 when DiLeonwrdo flipped and he was still getting money from some of his businesses. If he did quit it came years after that conversation.


Pogo
Yes Pogo your right ,They spun it into the 5 year RICO predicate acts , but it was a transition from that point on ... I would say he was looking for a way out more then looking to stay in ,

Did JR really say that just to beat the RICO is a good question ,If you take the proffer session and what he said to his father together , You would think he wanted a way out, As he is a Gottis Son not a easy task

Re: John Gotti Jr's proffer session

by Wiseguy » Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:32 pm

joeycigars wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:32 pmBut his words "I can't do this. This is your life. This is not my life." To his father... Then walking away is tantamount to quitting the mob
John Sr. should have replied, "OK, you give back the money and that house in Oyster Bay that all came from my life and you can go."

Re: John Gotti Jr's proffer session

by Pogo The Clown » Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:55 pm

They tried to spin it that way but he didn't walk away in 1999. He kept his Capo rank up to at least 2002 when DiLeonwrdo flipped and he was still getting money from some of his businesses. If he did quit it came years after that conversation.


Pogo

Re: John Gotti Jr's proffer session

by joeycigars » Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:32 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:22 am If I'm not mistaken that conversation was in regards to taking a plea deal on his pending indictment. Not walking away from the life.


Pogo
He used it in the RICO case that was a good move , But his words "I can't do this. This is your life. This is not my life." To his father... Then walking away is tantamount to quitting the mob , I guess you can split hairs on this but he never went back to crime and the Gambino's, He is quoted as saying he rather be a" Latin King " then a Gambino

Re: John Gotti Jr's proffer session

by JoeCamel » Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:01 pm

Pogo, pogo, pogo. When will you just accept the mafia revisionist history that Junior Gotti has successfully applied? This is America after all

Re: John Gotti Jr's proffer session

by Pogo The Clown » Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:22 am

If I'm not mistaken that conversation was in regards to taking a plea deal on his pending indictment. Not walking away from the life.


Pogo

Re: John Gotti Jr's proffer session

by joeycigars » Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:00 am

Mustangsally wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:50 am
joeycigars wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 8:42 pm Gotti JR 4 mistrials beat the feds ,Walked away from the Mob , Kept a good chunk of his money, wrote a book made it into a movie ,still lives in NY , Unprecedented, The proffer was a hedge bet shit could have went real bad , Smart guy
He didn't walk away. He was run out.
Its on video tape
1999 when then-35-year-old Junior spoke to his dying father for the last time at the United States Medical Center for Federal Prisoners in Springfield, Missouri.

“It was very difficult for him to ask his father permission to leave [the lifestyle],” said Stratton. “His father wasn’t happy about it. In the tape, you can see his father basically ripping through Junior. ‘Where’s your dignity? Where’s your manhood?’ But then he changes at a certain point. He becomes a father, instead of the godfather and the boss of the Gambino family. He understands that the life he led can go one or two ways. You die in prison or you die on the street.”Still, Stratton noted Junior was “brave” for coming forward and asking his father “for closure,” an alleged code word for leaving the mob.

Re: John Gotti Jr's proffer session

by Mustangsally » Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:50 am

joeycigars wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 8:42 pm Gotti JR 4 mistrials beat the feds ,Walked away from the Mob , Kept a good chunk of his money, wrote a book made it into a movie ,still lives in NY , Unprecedented, The proffer was a hedge bet shit could have went real bad , Smart guy
He didn't walk away. He was run out.

Re: John Gotti Jr's proffer session

by Hired_Goonz » Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:05 am

Seems like Junior was willing to cooperate but they just couldn't come to an arrangement. He even gave up his own uncle on a murder. But it all worked out for him in the end. In hindsight the feds should have offered him a better deal. They spent how many millions trying to convict him?

Re: John Gotti Jr's proffer session

by joeycigars » Mon May 31, 2021 8:42 pm

Gotti JR 4 mistrials beat the feds ,Walked away from the Mob , Kept a good chunk of his money, wrote a book made it into a movie ,still lives in NY , Unprecedented, The proffer was a hedge bet shit could have went real bad , Smart guy

Re: John Gotti Jr's proffer session

by Browniety86 » Mon May 31, 2021 6:12 pm

Pmac2 wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 5:39 pm Alite testified against numerous people who got time. Charles Carnegie. That kane guy.
Alite also said Ronnie One Arm was a rat...Guys doin a life bid

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