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Re: Lack of NYC Fed indictments

by Amershire_Ed » Mon May 31, 2021 5:14 pm

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Re: Lack of NYC Fed indictments

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Re: Lack of NYC Fed indictments

by Wiseguy » Mon May 31, 2021 11:26 am

Right now, MS-13 has no official national leadership structure. MS-13 originated in Los Angeles, but when members migrated eastward, they began forming cliques that for the most part operated independently. These cliques, though, often maintain regular contact with members in other regions to coordinate recruitment/criminal activities and to prevent conflicts. We do believe that Los Angeles gang members have an elevated status among their MS-13 counterparts across the country, a system of respect that could potentially evolve into a more organized national leadership structure.

https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/ ... s13_011408

Re: Lack of NYC Fed indictments

by slimshady_007 » Sun May 30, 2021 7:42 pm

Well gangs like MS-13 are fit for RICO. They are highly organized, each clique within the gang has a leader and the leader of each respective clique answers to the “big homies” is El Salvador. Also, some blood sets are highly organized. For example, most sets structure themselves with a so called street lineup and a prison lineup. The positions vary depending on the set, and blood leaders are sometimes called “Godfathers” and “OG’s”. I think it’s fair to say that certain gangs fit the standards of an organized criminal group (RICO).

Re: Lack of NYC Fed indictments

by Nick Prango » Sun May 30, 2021 3:56 pm

furiofromnaples wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 12:23 am
Nick Prango wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 4:53 pm
furiofromnaples wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 5:23 am In NY there are most gangs that killing more people that mob in the last decade and is more easy to built a case against them that to the mob.
RICO, it's supposedly meant to be used for outlier cases but nowadays get used and abused in RICO's case from loosely affiliated youths to street gangs, to the biggest crime families/syndicates(which it was meant for) But comparing these street gangs to the mafia is a fucking joke. Using RICO on these guys is like using the patriot act to stalk the girl you like. Not saying there isn’t any black organized crime in United States, but most of these guys aren’t fat cat drug lords. They’re just dudes in the streets.
Nick Prango,I never compared the street gangs to the mafia but the LE must demonstrate to the press and public opinion that are making arrests etc and built a Rico on a black or latino gang its more easy and fast that on a mob family plus the street gangs look to the people like more dangerous by the normal people.
The American LCN (even today) has far greater power than street gangs. As far as who's more powerful, obviously the Italian mob have it, probably even to this day. They still have some influential people on their side. Italian crime families are far more sophisticated organizations than Bloods, Crips, MS 13 or any other street gang. You are right, these organisations look to the people more dangerous, but they are essentially loose knit collections of small street gangs. A street gang, as the definition implies, runs the street. They have guns, but they're local. Quite terrifying, but nothing compared to the Italian crime families.
I don't know if you read Tekashi 69's testimonies, but it's an embarrassment. Those NY Bloods can't seem to get anything done. Their generals will put a hit on a dude for 25,30k, and some Brooklyn hardass gangsta fires one shot that hits a wall 8 feet over the dude's head, and then tries to collect. This is their "hit squad." What a joke. They're always being caught even when successful. I think it was some NY bloods clique that did the Zattola hits (and they fucked up the hit on the younger Zattola) and they were picked up, I think within weeks of the hit. Honestly, except maybe the Mexican cartels, I don't think any other criminal organization comes even close to being as powerful in United States as the Italian mob, even in 2021.

Re: Lack of NYC Fed indictments

by SonnyBlackstein » Mon May 24, 2021 6:35 pm

Patrickgold wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 10:07 am Does this mean the NYC families are not viable?
B. wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 1:01 pm The FBI has moved on from trying to fight the mafia and now they're trying to dismantle western society.
:D

Enjoyed. Cheers gents.

Re: Lack of NYC Fed indictments

by Ozgoz » Mon May 24, 2021 4:20 am

Nick Prango wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 4:53 pmUsing RICO on these guys is like using the patriot act to stalk the girl you like.
:lol:

Re: Lack of NYC Fed indictments

by Nick Prango » Mon May 24, 2021 2:40 am

furiofromnaples wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 12:23 am
Nick Prango wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 4:53 pm
furiofromnaples wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 5:23 am In NY there are most gangs that killing more people that mob in the last decade and is more easy to built a case against them that to the mob.
RICO, it's supposedly meant to be used for outlier cases but nowadays get used and abused in RICO's case from loosely affiliated youths to street gangs, to the biggest crime families/syndicates(which it was meant for) But comparing these street gangs to the mafia is a fucking joke. Using RICO on these guys is like using the patriot act to stalk the girl you like. Not saying there isn’t any black organized crime in United States, but most of these guys aren’t fat cat drug lords. They’re just dudes in the streets.
Nick Prango,I never compared the street gangs to the mafia but the LE must demonstrate to the press and public opinion that are making arrests etc and built a Rico on a black or latino gang its more easy and fast that on a mob family plus the street gangs look to the people like more dangerous by the normal people.
Agreed some gangs like MS13 have a very violent reputation. Some gangbangers are even assaulting random people walking down the streets.

Re: Lack of NYC Fed indictments

by furiofromnaples » Mon May 24, 2021 12:23 am

Nick Prango wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 4:53 pm
furiofromnaples wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 5:23 am In NY there are most gangs that killing more people that mob in the last decade and is more easy to built a case against them that to the mob.
RICO, it's supposedly meant to be used for outlier cases but nowadays get used and abused in RICO's case from loosely affiliated youths to street gangs, to the biggest crime families/syndicates(which it was meant for) But comparing these street gangs to the mafia is a fucking joke. Using RICO on these guys is like using the patriot act to stalk the girl you like. Not saying there isn’t any black organized crime in United States, but most of these guys aren’t fat cat drug lords. They’re just dudes in the streets.
Nick Prango,I never compared the street gangs to the mafia but the LE must demonstrate to the press and public opinion that are making arrests etc and built a Rico on a black or latino gang its more easy and fast that on a mob family plus the street gangs look to the people like more dangerous by the normal people.

Re: Lack of NYC Fed indictments

by Dave65827 » Sun May 23, 2021 5:08 pm

Can confirm all the few gang bangers I know aren’t living large or even middle class. Maybe in other areas but in my town in SoCal the biggest gangbangers you’ll see are driving a Honda going to there rundown neighborhood.

Hell some of the “gang members” I know don’t even commit crimes they just wear whatever color and stand on a corner and occasionally run in and steal some bear from a grocery store

Also I can’t wait for the Desantis indictment the lucchese are one of the most interesting families to me. I wonder if they went through with actually recreating the Brooklyn crew like Pennisi said they where planning

Re: Lack of NYC Fed indictments

by Nick Prango » Sun May 23, 2021 4:53 pm

furiofromnaples wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 5:23 am In NY there are most gangs that killing more people that mob in the last decade and is more easy to built a case against them that to the mob.
RICO, it's supposedly meant to be used for outlier cases but nowadays get used and abused in RICO's case from loosely affiliated youths to street gangs, to the biggest crime families/syndicates(which it was meant for) But comparing these street gangs to the mafia is a fucking joke. Using RICO on these guys is like using the patriot act to stalk the girl you like. Not saying there isn’t any black organized crime in United States, but most of these guys aren’t fat cat drug lords. They’re just dudes in the streets.

Re: Lack of NYC Fed indictments

by furiofromnaples » Sun May 23, 2021 5:23 am

In NY there are most gangs that killing more people that mob in the last decade and is more easy to built a case against them that to the mob.

Re: Lack of NYC Fed indictments

by slimshady_007 » Sat May 22, 2021 8:51 pm

Wiseguy wrote: Sat May 22, 2021 3:28 pm It's important to keep things in the correct perspective. While you can definitely see a difference in the number of cases, say 2000-2010 vs. 2011-2020, over the past decade there has continued to be a fairly steady number of cases against the NY LCN families. And that's even with the FBI only devoting 2 squads with a max of 35 agents to it since 2013.
Thats true but few of the cases reached a family’s administration. Dom Cefulu of the Gambinos has managed to run the Gambinos for a decade without getting indicted. Previously in 08-2011, the feds were arresting Gambino bosses left and right like Danny Marino, Bobby Vernace, and Jackie D’Amico. Its possible that laying low, combined with the FBI having bigger targets than the mafia, have contributed to the mob’s comeback.

Re: Lack of NYC Fed indictments

by JeremyTheJew » Sat May 22, 2021 6:45 pm

Also... Covid hit them too just like everyone else.

Like I said 2019 , aquitted or not, they made 3 cases against 3 fams. I'm actually surprised Lukes lost and cammarano et Al won..

But ya... 2019.... Then covid.

Now the world hadda take a step back.

And since then there's been a few outside of NYC...

Re: Lack of NYC Fed indictments

by Wiseguy » Sat May 22, 2021 3:28 pm

It's important to keep things in the correct perspective. While you can definitely see a difference in the number of cases, say 2000-2010 vs. 2011-2020, over the past decade there has continued to be a fairly steady number of cases against the NY LCN families. And that's even with the FBI only devoting 2 squads with a max of 35 agents to it since 2013.

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