THE BLACK HAND FORUM

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:53 pm For me it is Albert Anastasia.


His murder led to the Apalachin meeting and we all know what a disaster that turned out to be and the long term ramifications it had for LCN.


It also led to Carlo Gambino becoming a Boss. Gambino of course was one of the main drivers of the Profsci-Gallo War and the Bannana War in the 1960s. Both of those conflicts severally damaged and destabilized the Colombo and Bonanno families which they never really recovered from and which had their own long lasting ramifications.


Gambino was also the driving force in NY keeping their books closed for as long as they did. That of course weakened the families and led to future problems in the types of people who rose to leadership positions in the 1980s like Gotti, Amuso, Casso, Gravano, Massino, etc and the problems they caused.


Pogo

OcSleeper wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 9:46 am

JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:29 am

OcSleeper wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:50 am

B. wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 5:46 pm The Gerlando Sciascia murder led to Massino flipping and arguably contributed to the violent Montreal mafia war 10+ years later.

I would argue the 3 Capo murders played even more significant role contributing to the Montreal War than Sciascia's murder.

Can u elaborate??

At first I almost agreed about 3 capos being more significant .... But then I thought about this:

3 capos conflict ended after the hit.... And the conflict really wasn't even that long of a conflict.... Started after Galante got hit.

That was in reference to what B said above about Sciascia's murder contributing to the Montreal War. I disagree with that and was arguing that that 3 capos played a bigger role leading to the Montreal War since that is what got Vito Rizzuto sent to prison.

Without Vito being involved in the 3 Capo murders he wouldn't of been sent to the US and its possible the War wouldn't of even happened or at the very least wouldn't of been as big as it was.

JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:29 am

OcSleeper wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:50 am

B. wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 5:46 pm The Gerlando Sciascia murder led to Massino flipping and arguably contributed to the violent Montreal mafia war 10+ years later.

I would argue the 3 Capo murders played even more significant role contributing to the Montreal War than Sciascia's murder.

Can u elaborate??

At first I almost agreed about 3 capos being more significant .... But then I thought about this:

3 capos conflict ended after the hit.... And the conflict really wasn't even that long of a conflict.... Started after Galante got hit.

OcSleeper wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:50 am The 3 biggest ones I think led to the most repercussions would be Galante and Castellano for the US and in Italy not much beats Falcone.

B. wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 5:46 pm The Gerlando Sciascia murder led to Massino flipping and arguably contributed to the violent Montreal mafia war 10+ years later.

I would argue the 3 Capo murders played even more significant role contributing to the Montreal War than Sciascia's murder.

B. wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 5:46 pm The Gerlando Sciascia murder led to Massino flipping and arguably contributed to the violent Montreal mafia war 10+ years later.

JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:55 pm

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:22 pm Giuseppe Di Matteo, 12 yr old son of a pentiti who was kidnapped and tortured for two years before being strangled and dissolved in acid. Shocked Italy to the core and revised many peoples tolerance of OC throughout the southern part of the boot.

Giovanni Falcone, Judge executed by Riina, the beast, aptly called. The state came down harder on the mafia than in any time in Italian history from Falcones death.

Wasn't that what made the Catania guy flip.... I forgot his name.... Men Of Dishonor book was about him.

He was the UB of the Catania family before Santapaola basically took over.

I can't think of the guys name at all tho....

JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:55 pm Wasn't that what made the Catania guy flip.... I forgot his name.... Men Of Dishonor book was about him.

He was the UB of the Catania family before Santapaola basically took over.

I can't think of the guys name at all tho....

B. wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 5:46 pm The Gerlando Sciascia murder led to Massino flipping and arguably contributed to the violent Montreal mafia war 10+ years later.

The Galante hit was a cornerstone of the Commission case. Not only did that case rip the experienced leaders of the NYC mafia off the street and effectively end the Commission, but without the Commission case we likely wouldn't have seen the Colombo War, the havoc unleashed by Casso/Amuso, etc. You could also argue if the Galante hit hadn't happened, neither would the murders that played out in the Bonanno family over the next few years.

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:22 pm Giuseppe Di Matteo, 12 yr old son of a pentiti who was kidnapped and tortured for two years before being strangled and dissolved in acid. Shocked Italy to the core and revised many peoples tolerance of OC throughout the southern part of the boot.

Giovanni Falcone, Judge executed by Riina, the beast, aptly called. The state came down harder on the mafia than in any time in Italian history from Falcones death.

B. wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 5:46 pm The Gerlando Sciascia murder led to Massino flipping and arguably contributed to the violent Montreal mafia war 10+ years later.

The Galante hit was a cornerstone of the Commission case. Not only did that case rip the experienced leaders of the NYC mafia off the street and effectively end the Commission, but without the Commission case we likely wouldn't have seen the Colombo War, the havoc unleashed by Casso/Amuso, etc. You could also argue if the Galante hit hadn't happened, neither would the murders that played out in the Bonanno family over the next few years.