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Re: New Trial in Meldish Murder?

by Browniety86 » Mon May 24, 2021 5:07 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 7:23 am
Dave65827 wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 1:32 pm the fact they had a legally retarded guy informing was hilarious

He was slow, strong as a fucking bull, handsome like George Raft.


Pogo
I remember my mother and father always arguin' about somethin, I don't know...My father's feeble minded brother, I always thought she meant you...

Re: New Trial in Meldish Murder?

by Pogo The Clown » Mon May 24, 2021 7:23 am

Dave65827 wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 1:32 pm the fact they had a legally retarded guy informing was hilarious

He was slow, strong as a fucking bull, handsome like George Raft.


Pogo

Re: New Trial in Meldish Murder?

by mafiastudent » Fri May 21, 2021 2:44 pm

Pmac2 wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 1:54 pm dave 65827 IMO crea sr isnt guilty of meldish murder. and i have a semi understanding of rico. still hes not guilty of meldish murder. the rest i think there guilty. madonna, londonio, and the shooter. it was madonnas associate. meldisg he didnt need to ask crea permission or have any input from him since madonna techinaclly outranks him when it come to calling shots. only amuso can order a murder
Look up Pinkerton Liability which is the charge the judge gave the jurors before they deliberated. It's an addition to the standard jury charge.

Re: New Trial in Meldish Murder?

by joeycigars » Fri May 21, 2021 2:29 pm

Dwalin2014 wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 12:48 pm
joeycigars wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 8:40 am
Dwalin2014 wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 3:07 pm
newera_212 wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 11:15 am but what I want to know is that if people think the murder wasn't ordered by the Administration and carried out by Londonio, etc. - what do they think really happened? Are there any leads on who actually killed Meldish, and why?
Good question. For some reason, nobody ever provides alternative versions about who really DID kill Meldish, not even on a hypothetical level...
"a hypothetical" For you .... They were Morally Convicted VS Beyond a reasonable doubt with many technicalities that are legit reason to get another trial, The Feds abused there power and used Liars caught in lies , The Judge was not impartial ,Anyone the Feds picked could be the Killer with this deck stacked against them ,
What does this have to do with anything I said? I asked who did kill Meldish, according to people who believe the defendants are innocent. What you said doesn't address this question in any way.

People say they think those 4 defendants are innocent, yet when asked who, in their opinion, really did commit this murder, they always change the subject (just like you did) or simply don't answer, pretending not to have noticed the question.
I dont know if Crea did order it or passed a message to underlings never saw proof ,I dont know how much culpability they have under RICO never saw the proof , And I dont know if there are alternative scenario's hypotheticals are a dime a dozen


In my opinion , From following this trial , It was one of the worst cases of Federal abuse of power , The Witnesses were at the top of the list worst but I seen worse , "John “JR” Rubeo " is up there Merlino case ,

IM am not saying they didnt do the crime , Im saying they deserve a fair trial let the chips fall ,

No one guilty or not should be railroaded by abuse of a rigged system

Re: New Trial in Meldish Murder?

by Pmac2 » Fri May 21, 2021 1:55 pm

only amuso surposely can order a murder in the feds eyes or atleast thats the way it used to be. perfect example chin gigante didnt order big al brunos murder a panel did

Re: New Trial in Meldish Murder?

by Pmac2 » Fri May 21, 2021 1:54 pm

dave 65827 IMO crea sr isnt guilty of meldish murder. and i have a semi understanding of rico. still hes not guilty of meldish murder. the rest i think there guilty. madonna, londonio, and the shooter. it was madonnas associate. meldisg he didnt need to ask crea permission or have any input from him since madonna techinaclly outranks him when it come to calling shots. only amuso can order a murder

Re: New Trial in Meldish Murder?

by Dave65827 » Fri May 21, 2021 1:32 pm

People say they think those 4 defendants are innocent, yet when asked who, in their opinion, really did commit this murder, they always change the subject (just like you did) or simply don't answer, pretending not to have noticed the question.
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These guys definitely did kill Meldish there’s no way to get around that. Caldwells DNA on the car, Londonio tailgating Meldish, Fucking calling Madonna after the hit. Crea definitely did a part in this as underboss not to mention him being all trigger happy sending Cassano and Bruno to go kill that Bonanno associate

Only thing I’m willing to concede is the informers where some of the worst I’ve ever read about and the fact they had a legally retarded guy informing was hilarious

I can’t see how these guys are anything but guilty IMO

Re: New Trial in Meldish Murder?

by Dwalin2014 » Fri May 21, 2021 12:48 pm

joeycigars wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 8:40 am
Dwalin2014 wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 3:07 pm
newera_212 wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 11:15 am but what I want to know is that if people think the murder wasn't ordered by the Administration and carried out by Londonio, etc. - what do they think really happened? Are there any leads on who actually killed Meldish, and why?
Good question. For some reason, nobody ever provides alternative versions about who really DID kill Meldish, not even on a hypothetical level...
"a hypothetical" For you .... They were Morally Convicted VS Beyond a reasonable doubt with many technicalities that are legit reason to get another trial, The Feds abused there power and used Liars caught in lies , The Judge was not impartial ,Anyone the Feds picked could be the Killer with this deck stacked against them ,
What does this have to do with anything I said? I asked who did kill Meldish, according to people who believe the defendants are innocent. What you said doesn't address this question in any way.

People say they think those 4 defendants are innocent, yet when asked who, in their opinion, really did commit this murder, they always change the subject (just like you did) or simply don't answer, pretending not to have noticed the question.

Re: New Trial in Meldish Murder?

by joeycigars » Fri May 21, 2021 8:40 am

Dwalin2014 wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 3:07 pm
newera_212 wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 11:15 am but what I want to know is that if people think the murder wasn't ordered by the Administration and carried out by Londonio, etc. - what do they think really happened? Are there any leads on who actually killed Meldish, and why?
Good question. For some reason, nobody ever provides alternative versions about who really DID kill Meldish, not even on a hypothetical level...
"a hypothetical" For you .... They were Morally Convicted VS Beyond a reasonable doubt with many technicalities that are legit reason to get another trial, The Feds abused there power and used Liars caught in lies , The Judge was not impartial ,Anyone the Feds picked could be the Killer with this deck stacked against them ,

Re: New Trial in Meldish Murder?

by mafiastudent » Thu May 20, 2021 7:49 am

Tonyd621 wrote: Thu May 20, 2021 5:31 am Crea at the very least deserves a new trial. Pennisi was so far removed from that crew idk how the govt can use his testimony. Thinking out loud here- I mean, what, Pennisi had dinner with mutual friends and came across him from time to time and that gets him. Look what they did to Crea Junior too. How many times has he been arrested before this 13 yr sentence?
Two days of testimony and wasn't asked one time about the Meldish murder. Crea jr had never been arrested before and yet was held without bail for several months until the judge couldn't hold him anymore because the government was lying about some tapes and other evidence they claimed they had. So, he was released.

Re: New Trial in Meldish Murder?

by Dapper_Don » Thu May 20, 2021 5:59 am

Tonyd621 wrote: Thu May 20, 2021 5:38 am
Dave65827 wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 3:53 pm Honestly I can’t see how these guys didn’t approve the Meldish hit
A lifelong associate of Madonna gets shot after publicly feuding with him and quote “telling him to go fuck himself” and refusing to pay back a 100,000 loan. And coincidentally gets shot in the head a few weeks later

They got Caldwells DNA in the car, Londonio on the scene in his car (Wtf), Madonna recieving a call from Londonio coincidentally right after the hit. Not to mention Crea jr could not have possibly not know a solider in his crew was on a hit

And about Crea ordering those guys to kill that bonanno guy over a insult does not leave any doubt in my mind he knew of the hit

Overall society isn’t missing much with these guys in jail. And in fact society itself is probably better off with Meldish dead
If anything this whole fiasco would discourage anymore hits in the future
It's not what you think it's what you can prove. Who's the soldier in cre a juniors crew?
Londonio

Re: New Trial in Meldish Murder?

by Tonyd621 » Thu May 20, 2021 5:38 am

Dave65827 wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 3:53 pm Honestly I can’t see how these guys didn’t approve the Meldish hit
A lifelong associate of Madonna gets shot after publicly feuding with him and quote “telling him to go fuck himself” and refusing to pay back a 100,000 loan. And coincidentally gets shot in the head a few weeks later

They got Caldwells DNA in the car, Londonio on the scene in his car (Wtf), Madonna recieving a call from Londonio coincidentally right after the hit. Not to mention Crea jr could not have possibly not know a solider in his crew was on a hit

And about Crea ordering those guys to kill that bonanno guy over a insult does not leave any doubt in my mind he knew of the hit

Overall society isn’t missing much with these guys in jail. And in fact society itself is probably better off with Meldish dead
If anything this whole fiasco would discourage anymore hits in the future
It's not what you think it's what you can prove. Who's the soldier in cre a juniors crew?

Re: New Trial in Meldish Murder?

by Tonyd621 » Thu May 20, 2021 5:31 am

Crea at the very least deserves a new trial. Pennisi was so far removed from that crew idk how the govt can use his testimony. Thinking out loud here- I mean, what, Pennisi had dinner with mutual friends and came across him from time to time and that gets him. Look what they did to Crea Junior too. How many times has he been arrested before this 13 yr sentence?

Re: New Trial in Meldish Murder?

by mlm0047 » Wed May 19, 2021 6:21 pm

What are the overturns on life sentences in fed court? They weren’t tried because they were choir boys....

Re: New Trial in Meldish Murder?

by Dave65827 » Wed May 19, 2021 3:53 pm

Honestly I can’t see how these guys didn’t approve the Meldish hit
A lifelong associate of Madonna gets shot after publicly feuding with him and quote “telling him to go fuck himself” and refusing to pay back a 100,000 loan. And coincidentally gets shot in the head a few weeks later

They got Caldwells DNA in the car, Londonio on the scene in his car (Wtf), Madonna recieving a call from Londonio coincidentally right after the hit. Not to mention Crea jr could not have possibly not know a solider in his crew was on a hit

And about Crea ordering those guys to kill that bonanno guy over a insult does not leave any doubt in my mind he knew of the hit

Overall society isn’t missing much with these guys in jail. And in fact society itself is probably better off with Meldish dead
If anything this whole fiasco would discourage anymore hits in the future

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