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Wiseguy wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 4:06 pm

Tonyd621 wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 3:22 pm I dont understand. We let a fat f***** terrorist out early. We let murder charges go without bail. A man in detroit convicted of murdering his first wife and suspected of murdering his second is getting early release bc of "catching covid." There is bills in states all over the country now advocated for release of lifers. Why not?

Stupid Covid policies having let some scumbags out of prison isn't a reason to let more out. They should have all been kept incarcerated. Them dying of Covid would be a silver lining to the whole pandemic.

Well the judicial system places sucha emphasis on fairness, but the italians get some of the most unfair treatment. Well, i disagree with your opinion and rather leave it at that. Agree to disagree

Tonyd621 wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 3:22 pm I dont understand. We let a fat f***** terrorist out early. We let murder charges go without bail. A man in detroit convicted of murdering his first wife and suspected of murdering his second is getting early release bc of "catching covid." There is bills in states all over the country now advocated for release of lifers. Why not?

Stupid Covid policies having let some scumbags out of prison isn't a reason to let more out. They should have all been kept incarcerated. Them dying of Covid would be a silver lining to the whole pandemic.

I dont understand. We let a fat f***** terrorist out early. We let murder charges go without bail. A man in detroit convicted of murdering his first wife and suspected of murdering his second is getting early release bc of "catching covid." There is bills in states all over the country now advocated for release of lifers. Why not?

Adam wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 7:28 am They're in prison for crimes committed. Getting old doesn't change that.

This concept eludes many here.

Conviction should have been overturned years ago.

They're in prison for crimes committed. Getting old doesn't change that.

Adam wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 2:53 am

TommyNoto wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 4:34 am He needs to be released immediately
He might be costing the state $50k+ a year

The Feds really need to start letting these old wise guys out,
I just don’t get it. Heads need to roll over this shit

Not sure getting old is a good reason to let someone out who is a convicted murderer. The old wise guys are in prison for a reason.

Why? For sure Orena can't turn to the Colombos,Bobby Manna is 90 y old and for sure wont turn back to the Genoveses. What should do? Telling to the young associates how wonderful was the old days?

TommyNoto wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 4:34 am He needs to be released immediately
He might be costing the state $50k+ a year

The Feds really need to start letting these old wise guys out,
I just don’t get it. Heads need to roll over this shit

Not sure getting old is a good reason to let someone out who is a convicted murderer. The old wise guys are in prison for a reason.

TommyNoto wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 4:34 am He needs to be released immediately
He might be costing the state $50k+ a year

The Feds really need to start letting these old wise guys out,
I just don’t get it. Heads need to roll over this shit

Maybe the State is suffering from the Sonny Franzese syndrome aka they fear that once out they will extort or commit other crimes even in wheelchair.

He needs to be released immediately
He might be costing the state $50k+ a year

The Feds really need to start letting these old wise guys out,
I just don’t get it. Heads need to roll over this shit

If he's being released that means he's sick as hell so yeh he's finished either way.

I think that at almost 90 y Orena can go out of prison,his career in the mob is ended years ago and isnt a danger for nobody. Let him die in his bed.

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NYC CRIME
NEW YORK
Ailing ex-Colombo family boss Victor Orena, 86, could be released from prison: lawyer
By NOAH GOLDBERG
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS |
APR 29, 2021 AT 8:26 PM


A murderous former gangland boss is wheelchair-bound and suffering from serious dementia — but he has a new shot at release, his lawyer said Thursday.

Victor Orena, the 86-year-old ex-acting boss of New York’s Colombo crime family, can no longer take care of himself in the federal prison he is being held at in Massachusetts, requiring a wheelchair and a full-time aide. But a tossed lower firearms charge in a 1992 case could get him one last shot at freedom because he has to be resentenced completely.

He was convicted of ordering a hit on mobster Thomas Ocera, who was suspected of skimming money off assorted capers. Orena was also convicted of conspiring to murder rivals in a warring faction of the Colombo family.

“An overriding factor here is Mr. Orena’s age and medical conditions,” said David Schoen, Orena’s lawyer, at a Monday hearing in front of Eastern District Judge Eric Komitee.

When Orena is resentenced, his lawyers will argue for his release saying he is rehabilitated and that newly discovered evidence in the case points toward the mobster’s innocence.

Victor Orena in handcuffs leaves 26 Federal Plaza with FBI agent R. Lindley DeVecchio (r) on April 1, 1992.
Victor Orena in handcuffs leaves 26 Federal Plaza with FBI agent R. Lindley DeVecchio (r) on April 1, 1992. (Jack Smith / New York Daily News)
Prosecutors, meanwhile, asked in court papers for the judge to simply resentence Orena to life in prison.


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Schoen told the Daily News that new evidence in the case includes previously unreported government misconduct related to the Ocera murder that a top-echelon confidential informant said permeated Orena’s case.

Schoen called the information “unbelievably shocking” and potentially dangerous if revealed publicly.

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“It’s stuff we never knew about that happened back then,” he told The News.

Victor “Little Vic” Orena was the acting boss of the Colombo family in the 1980s and tried to take over as permanent boss in the early 1990s, leading to a bloody civil war between his faction and that of boss Carmine Persico, who was serving a life sentence at the time.

Orena’s son, Andrew Orena, pleaded for compassion for his father.

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“His heart is weak. But his spirit is strong. We’re praying we can get some time with him. He has grandchildren that really don’t know him,” Orena told The News. “He’ll never be the man he was but he’s still our father and we love him.”

Etna wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:42 am https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny ... story.html

Can you put the whole article? I can't read it from Italy.