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Re: The new Whitey Bulger movie is "Pure Fiction"

by dixiemafia » Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:47 pm

paph wrote:why is pure fiction ?
i saw yesterday the movie and yes i appreciated that but it seems the D'angiulo was idiots while he was the boss of Boston
I think the he replys anyway at the italians
You will need to read up on Whitey and crew because the movie was hardly close to that whole story. Trust me on that one. Plus the movie tends to make it out like Whitey was the only criminal mind and "controlled" the whole crew was a joke. Stevie Flemmi for the sicko that he was, was just as big a gangster and leader that Whitey was in the Winter-Hill Gang. In terms of leadership it was more 1a/1b than Whitey being the man and Flemmi following. The movie makes it out like he was a puppy dog to Whitey much like Martorano who was a stone cold killer in his own right. So there was a comedy of errors in the movie like we've all been saying.

The Angiulo's ran Boston for a long time and they made a LOT of money and their families are still well off, so they were far from idiots. From the moment Patriarca gave him the power in Boston he controlled ALL the bookmaking and loansharking there so that says something. Like him or not he got all the money in line and into his pockets instead of Boston being a mess at the time.

Re: The new Whitey Bulger movie is "Pure Fiction"

by paph » Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:51 am

why is pure fiction ?
i saw yesterday the movie and yes i appreciated that but it seems the D'angiulo was idiots while he was the boss of Boston
I think the he replys anyway at the italians

Re: The new Whitey Bulger movie is "Pure Fiction"

by Garbageman » Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:44 pm

Just watched it. Pure entertainment. I liked it.
What's with making Depp's eyeballs look like he's got albino eyes?
After reading Citizen Somerville, you realize none of these guys had their shit together. One truth about the movie was the FBI really opened the doors for Bulger's crew to dominate for a bit.

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Re: The new Whitey Bulger movie is "Pure Fiction"

by dixiemafia » Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:52 pm

I'll buy it, but chances are it becomes unfindable and I definintely wouldn't it more and more like I do with The Departed. I know it's WAY off but close enough.

Re: The new Whitey Bulger movie is "Pure Fiction"

by Snakes » Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:50 am

Not a classic, but it's still good. It stayed true enough to the real story and never verged into campiness, as some mob movies with much smaller budgets seem to do. The story really benefited by having good actors and a big budget to get behind it.

Re: The new Whitey Bulger movie is "Pure Fiction"

by Angelo Santino » Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:37 am

Watching it right now. 20 mins in and it seems plagued with the same BS that American Gangster was saddled with: graying the line between cops and criminals. They make the criminals out to be these noble family men who care for their wives and teach their children manners whereas the cops are out drinking, having unhappy and broken families. I don't find this very appealing but that's just me.

So far, Black Mass seems to revolve around a bunch of a Southie Accents saying "Fuck me, fucks youse. You can go fuck ya'self, Tommy." It's the mick version of This Thing Of Ours. Like I said I'm only 20 mins in...

Re: The new Whitey Bulger movie is "Pure Fiction"

by SonnyBlackstein » Thu Oct 01, 2015 6:53 am

IN the Trailer there's a scene where 'Whitey' asks someone across the dinner table for a recipe and it launches into a direct rip off of Goodfellas 'Funny how?'

But its a well done rip off. Hell, one mans rip off is anothers tribute I guess.

Looking forward to seeing the flick.

Re: The new Whitey Bulger movie is "Pure Fiction"

by JCB1977 » Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:10 pm

Although I've read quite a few books on the story, it didn't come across to me in any of the readings that Connolly was the "asshole" of the office, quite the contrary actually. That's Hollywood for yinz.

Re: The new Whitey Bulger movie is "Pure Fiction"

by dixiemafia » Wed Sep 30, 2015 3:57 pm

Yep I seriously doubt Whitey knew who he was until he became an FBI agent and told him who he was, much less someone with the power Billy had at that time.

Re: The new Whitey Bulger movie is "Pure Fiction"

by JCB1977 » Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:44 pm

What I did find surprising is the portrayal of FBI agent John Connolly. They made his charachter out to be a a fast talking, hardcore Boston accent bumbling idiot. In everything I have ever read, Connolly was well spoken and while he did grow up in the housing projects of Southie, he really didn't know the Bulgers too well growing up. They made his relationship with Billy Bulger out to be a lifelong friendship.

Re: The new Whitey Bulger movie is "Pure Fiction"

by dixiemafia » Thu Sep 24, 2015 12:59 pm

Yea there is very little Italian OC in Black Mass.

Re: The new Whitey Bulger movie is "Pure Fiction"

by B. » Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:59 pm

Yeah, I assumed that was the case.

Re: The new Whitey Bulger movie is "Pure Fiction"

by JCB1977 » Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:19 pm

B. wrote:It's almost impossible for me to watch any movie involving the Italian mob at this point if it stretches the truth too much. I saw that Iceman movie in a little theater in LA when I was on vacation and I would have walked out if I had been alone because of the bullshit mob connection.

I'm not as hard on non-Italian crime movies and I don't know a ton about the Patriarca crew, so I'm looking forward to checking this out. If it's entertaining that's good enough for me. Not sure if I'm alone, but I thought the Departed was a clusterfuck and I couldn't get into it so hopefully this does the job.
The movie has very little to do with Italian OC. It mainly focuses on the "media myth" that was created regarding James Bulger

Re: The new Whitey Bulger movie is

by B. » Wed Sep 23, 2015 9:34 am

Lupara wrote:
Jeff wrote:
Lupara wrote:Johnny Depp is old enough, he just doesn't look like him in the slightest. I've had the same problem with Benicio Del Torro playing Pablo Escobar in Escobar: Paradise Lost.
Why do the actors have to look like the characters? I never understood why that mattered to anyone.
For quite the obvious reasons. If an actor portrays a real-life figure I except some realism. Which is why I didn't care that Nickelson didn't look like Bulger, because he was playing a different character. Depp however IS Bulger.
Yeah, I don't care if an actor looks exactly like the character they are portraying, but I hate when they make a character way more dashing than he really was just to sell the movie. When I heard Depp was playing Bulger I thought it was going to be another Donnie Brasco case... i.e. them making the balding, 40-something Pistone into a heart throb. I was happy to see they made Depp look more like the disgusting old mick that Whitey really is.

Re: The new Whitey Bulger movie is "Pure Fiction"

by Lupara » Wed Sep 23, 2015 9:26 am

Jeff wrote:
Lupara wrote:Johnny Depp is old enough, he just doesn't look like him in the slightest. I've had the same problem with Benicio Del Torro playing Pablo Escobar in Escobar: Paradise Lost.
Why do the actors have to look like the characters? I never understood why that mattered to anyone.
For quite the obvious reasons. If an actor portrays a real-life figure I except some realism. Which is why I didn't care that Nickelson didn't look like Bulger, because he was playing a different character. Depp however IS Bulger.

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