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Re: Montreal FBI report December 1984

by scott22 » Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:34 pm

I think the Detroit mob Windsor, Ontario crew succession went: Cockeyed Joe Catalanotte & Nono Minaudo to Canada Nick Cicchini to "Monkey Sam" Misuraca to Tony Pal: all lorded over by consiglieres and drug barons Papa John Priziola and Jimmy Q.

Re: Montreal FBI report December 1984

by scott22 » Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:32 pm

Tony Palazzolo was in charge of rackets in Windsor, Ontario for Detroit LCN from the 1980s until he died of stomach cancer in 2019. He most likely killed Jimmy Hoffa (that's what the FBI thinks at least at this moment). He was "made" in the years after Hoffa was clipped (early-to-mid 1980s), given Windsor to run and eventually became capo of Detroit's Downriver crew.

Pal took the Downriver crew from longtime Detroit LCN sleeper power Anthony "Tony Cars" D'Anna, who died of natural causes in 1984.

Tony Randazzo was a made guy. I believe he died in 1995. His brother was "Frankie Rah Rah," who led the Detroit mob's prostitution/peep show rackets before being killed in a hit gone wrong in 1976.

SMB

Re: Montreal FBI report December 1984

by motorfab » Sat Apr 17, 2021 6:29 am

Anytime, glad to help when I'm able to do it.

Re: Montreal FBI report December 1984

by antimafia » Sat Apr 17, 2021 6:26 am

motorfab wrote:btw antimafia & B., I came across this Badalamenti family tree some time ago, if that can help you with Tano's nephews
Thanks for posting, motorfab.

Re: Montreal FBI report December 1984

by B. » Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:48 am

Great posts, motorfab. Not making it any more complicated than it needs to be, which I appreciate.

I'm sure the two factions in the 1984 FBI report I posted refers to the same arrangement discussed on the Violi tapes, where they referred to the Bonanno decina and the Sicilian mafia faction.

The Bonanno decina included men who were tied to the Sicilian mafia and a select number may have transferred membership (something discussed by Violi). The other faction of Sicilian men of honor in Montreal were not formally Bonanno members but in the Violi tapes were said to have operated under the guidance of the Montreal Bonanno decina, with certain limitations and the potential for a transfer to the Bonannos when openings became available. These transfers might explain how the Bonanno Montreal decina was able to maintain ~20 members when the books were closed. The Sicilians in the Bonanno decina were close to the Sicilian mafia faction in Canada but they did not share the same formal affiliation even though the Sicilian faction was supposed to recognize the Bonanno decina's authority in the area.

This is not fundamentally different from arrangements in NYC at the same time, as the Bonanno family had a faction of Sicilian men of honor in NYC who were basically working under Sal Catalano but were technically members of Sicilian families and not the Bonanno family. Like in Montreal, these men were supposed to obey the Bonanno family's authority even though they weren't members.

The Gambino family had a similar arrangement with men from Palermo -- a select few appear to have transferred to the Nino Inzerillo (and later John Gambino) crew; many retained membership in the Sicilian mafia but were under the umbrella of the Gambino family.

What seems to have happened in Montreal is the Sicilian faction's limitations under Cotroni/Violi were significantly lifted when their friends Sciascia and the Rizzutos took power.

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However, as Motorfab pointed out, the Sicilians aren't always some monolithic unified force. While there were deep relationships and alliances, not all of these men are always on the same side or committed to the same cause.

If you look at the Montreal war that began a little over a decade ago, we saw Sicilians on both sides of the conflict. Sal Montagna was a "zip" and the son of a Sicilian man of honor, and he was able to recruit Montreal figures with Cattolica Eraclea heritage on his side, against the others from Cattolica Eraclea and Siculiana.

We saw something similar in the mid-2000s in Ontario when the Sicilians Scarcella and Modica were in conflict.

As always, some of these guys get along, some don't, some are indifferent, and some are ambivalent. Relationships change, too. And as always, familiarity breeds contempt.

Re: Montreal FBI report December 1984

by motorfab » Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:46 am

thekiduknow wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:24 am
motorfab wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:32 am To make short and simple, Sciascia was the official capo of the Bonanno family in Montreal, at least until he got deported, but it was the Rizzutos really in charge.

For your question about the men of Siculiana, I don't see what event you are talking about, do you have more details?
So, when Sciascia was in NY in the 90s, was he capo of Montreal? Or capo of a different crew?
He was the official capo of Montreal. After his deportation during the 80's, Giuseppe Lo Presti (killed in 1992) then Valentino Morielli were the liaison between Montreal & Sciascia/NY

Re: Montreal FBI report December 1984

by thekiduknow » Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:24 am

motorfab wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:32 am To make short and simple, Sciascia was the official capo of the Bonanno family in Montreal, at least until he got deported, but it was the Rizzutos really in charge.

For your question about the men of Siculiana, I don't see what event you are talking about, do you have more details?
So, when Sciascia was in NY in the 90s, was he capo of Montreal? Or capo of a different crew?

Re: Montreal FBI report December 1984

by motorfab » Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:53 am

As I understand it, the zips were under the supervision of the capo from Montreal, in this case Vic Cotroni at the time, while managing their own businesses. Some people supported Nick, others not at all. Pietro Sciara supported Violi, and lesser known, Leonardo Caruana too.

As for the leadership of Montreal, it is not very clear who was in charge between Violi's murder 1978 and Vic's death in 1984. What is certain is that Frank was never in charge (except perhaps a charge weight :mrgreen: )

Re: Montreal FBI report December 1984

by CabriniGreen » Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:39 am

Also, just clarifying..... it went to Sciascia after Frank Cotroni?

Re: Montreal FBI report December 1984

by CabriniGreen » Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:36 am

motorfab wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:32 am To make short and simple, Sciascia was the official capo of the Bonanno family in Montreal, at least until he got deported, but it was the Rizzutos really in charge.

For your question about the men of Siculiana, I don't see what event you are talking about, do you have more details?
In a nutshell, I guess I was asking, the 20 sicilians, would have been Caruana people, not Nick's own crew?

Re: Montreal FBI report December 1984

by motorfab » Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:32 am

To make short and simple, Sciascia was the official capo of the Bonanno family in Montreal, at least until he got deported, but it was the Rizzutos really in charge.

For your question about the men of Siculiana, I don't see what event you are talking about, do you have more details?

Re: Montreal FBI report December 1984

by CabriniGreen » Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:26 am

So Manno, came from Cattolica and answered to Nick, but Sciascia didnt? Why would this be exactly?

The Siculiana men, the ones who left to escape the heat from the Alfa Romero, answered to.... the Cuntreras- Caruanas then?

Nick answered to Sciascia then? Really? I remember, one of the books, I forget. Nick had a convo with Buscetta about his affiliation. Buscetta said he thought Nick a Bonnano, but turns right around and said that he should assert himself. Almost encouraging his insubordination. I thought it weird they had to have a discussion for clarification.

So why Sciascia over the Rizzutos? In fact, why someone in NY as opposed to another Canadian as capo? Sciascia grew up in Sicily or NY? Not Canada, right? Sorry, a thousand and 1 questions, lol...

Re: Montreal FBI report December 1984

by Laurentian » Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:09 am

Pozza was killed because of his failed loyalty to the Cotronis by switching to the Rizzutos. The murder was executed by Réal Simard, an hired-killer for the Cotroni group, on orders of Frank Cotroni.

Re: Montreal FBI report December 1984

by Laurentian » Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:54 am

motorfab wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:30 am
CabriniGreen wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:19 am Nick Rizzutos's imports?
Siculiana mafiosi who emigrated to Canada came because of the wave of anti-mafia repression after the Ciaculli massacre in 1963. This is the case of Pietro Sciara, Pasquale, Liborio, Paolo & Gaspare Cuntrera and Giovanni & Leonardo Caruana. Their nephews Alfonso, Gerlando & Pasquale Caruana arrived a little later it seems to me, as did Giuseppe Cuffaro.

The main imports of Cattolica Eraclea are Domenico Manno & Gerlando Sciascia which arrived it seems to me in the 70's.
CabriniGreen wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:27 am Am I reading that correct? They make a distinction between Sciascias crew and the Cotroni crew? As well as the Sicilian crew? What about, what's his name, DiIorio? I butchered it I'm sure....

How did it go from Cotroni to Sciascia exactly? Violi would have been next in line if not killed. How does it go to Sciascia? Unless Sciascias crew is different from Cotronis crew? What was the traditional Bonnano crew in that case? Cotronis or Sciascias?

Then you say they have Nick as a liaison, precisely between the American and Sicilian mafia. But he answers to Sciascia? Not the Caruana- Cuntreras? I just cant buy it.....

I cant help but wonder why Sciascia isnt on the partners list with John Gambino, Greco, the Napolis, all those South American interest these 2 clans, ( Inzerillo and Caruana- Cuntreras) were involved in.
If I'm wrong about this, comrades Laurentian & antimafia will correct me:

-At the time the American and especially Canadian authorities considered the Sicilian & Calabrian faction to be two different entities. Also at this time in the early 80's Frank & Vic Cotroni had eliminated a few individuals that had lined up a little too easily behind the Sicilians. The most important being Michel Pozza eliminated by Real Simard in 1982. Despite this, no retaliation was carried out against the Cotroni because the Montreal mafiaa was in the midst of restructuring, he would have been very ill-advised for the Rizzutos & Gerlando Sciascia who was acting capo to make a move against Frank & Vic who enjoyed huge relationships.

-Nicola Di Iorio was an alumnus of the Montreal Decina. He was a protégé of Vincenzo Soccio, Diodato Mastraccio & Giuseppe Cocolicchio. I think he was inducted in the late 50s or early 60s and was involved in nightclubs, prostitution and political ties. His right arm man was Angelo Lanzo.

-Nick Rizzuto was only really answering to himself (or the Bonannos) but certainly not the Cuntrera-Caruana clan, it's not the same organization, even though they are very close.

-For your last point, I don't know about Sciascia, but Nick Rizzuto had shares in a ranch in Venezuela whose owners were Pasquale Cuntrera, Antonino Napoli (Villabate), John Gambino & Salvatore "Ciaschiteddu" Greco (former boss of Ciaculli, relocated to Venezuela precisely because of what I was saying about the Ciaculli massacre ;) )
I concur!

Re: Montreal FBI report December 1984

by motorfab » Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:44 am

btw antimafia & B., I came across this Badalamenti family tree some time ago, if that can help you with Tano's nephews
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