by Snakes » Wed Apr 23, 2025 11:47 am
RushStreet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 23, 2025 11:17 am
Here is a response from someone else. Some good points made here and I firmly agree with them in regards to the past and current status of Mike Sarno.
"I have never been of the belief that sarno ever attained the rank of boss, acting boss in the outfit at any time. it does appear though sarno was looked upon after family secrets 2005 to insure money continued to move upwards. with that in mind i had recently posted some boss and underboss lists where i think if anything sarno may have been acting underboss for a period of time (2005-2007) or possibly i suppose (2005-2009/2010). it is in this time period i believe where reports of caruso kicking up to sarno were first brought up. but this scenario doesnt automatically conclude that caruso is below sarno, it could have been the setup in place for any money made by the 26th street crew to send to sarno in order for it to move upward to senior bosses. caruso and crew were in the video gaming business with sarno, so possible money given was related to only that racket, in which case who else would be getting money than the guy charged with expanding VGM racket in 2000s, mike sarno and cicero crew.
to answer question, no i do not believe currently in 2025 frank caruso is kicking money up to sarno, as sarno for certain is BOSS of nothing right now. sarno may continue to exert control from prison to members of his street crew but that is all.
there is also the discussion relating to the rumor sarno was partnered or kicking up to difronzo or andriacchi. so how does one square the belief that sarno was BOSS or acting boss but then also kicking up to other senior outfit members?? if acting boss i suppose sarno would be kicking money up to someone else, marcello, difronzo, andriacchi etc. if he was BOSS then this scenario makes absolutely no sense.
also how does this sarno as boss/acting boss work if, as some believe anthony zizzo was outfit underboss? why wouldnt marcello when imprisoned without bond in april 2005 promote zizzo to acting boss?? would this not insure that moneys owed would continue to be collected by the very man marcello trusted as underboss, a member of melrose park crew that had done time and kept mouth shut, as opposed to sarno at the time only 2 years into promotion as cicero crew capo.
i believe as i have posted, joe andriacchi was underboss when FS came down in april 2005. andriacchi was moved up to acting boss as a way to insure that any other possible indictments coming down likely would not lead back to andriacchi and other admin members. perhaps then this is why zizzo was not promoted to ab, as melrose park crew had been taken off map with FS 2005 indictment, which also included investigation into marcello et al video poker machines."
If you are going to just use someone else's opinion, the least you could do is credit them by saying where you stole it from (some guy on Gangsterbb). I suppose the quotes are more than I expected.
-The thought is that Sarno was sharing proceeds with DiFronzo because DiFronzo was still consigliere. What type of arrangement they had for money distribution is unknown.
-Chinatown was (at least temporarily) merged into Cicero in the 90s under Monteleone. How long this arrangement continued or whether it is connected to Toots giving money to Sarno is unknown.
-I believe I have seen in court records where Sarno was involved with certain businesses along with Vena, but I cannot find them at this moment.
-Why Zizzo did not become acting boss in place of Sarno is pretty simple: Sarno (allegedly) had him killed. Zizzo was senior to Sarno -- as either capo or acting boss/underboss in the time immediately preceding Family Secrets. By the time Marcello was convicted, Zizzo was already gone and Sarno had (theoretically) obtained control.
-Finally, nobody is arguing that Sarno is the current boss of the Outfit, either. I personally do not think he is. In 2010, though? Yes, I do.
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Here is a response from someone else. Some good points made here and I firmly agree with them in regards to the past and current status of Mike Sarno.
"I have never been of the belief that sarno ever attained the rank of boss, acting boss in the outfit at any time. it does appear though sarno was looked upon after family secrets 2005 to insure money continued to move upwards. with that in mind i had recently posted some boss and underboss lists where i think if anything sarno may have been acting underboss for a period of time (2005-2007) or possibly i suppose (2005-2009/2010). it is in this time period i believe where reports of caruso kicking up to sarno were first brought up. but this scenario doesnt automatically conclude that caruso is below sarno, it could have been the setup in place for any money made by the 26th street crew to send to sarno in order for it to move upward to senior bosses. caruso and crew were in the video gaming business with sarno, so possible money given was related to only that racket, in which case who else would be getting money than the guy charged with expanding VGM racket in 2000s, mike sarno and cicero crew.
to answer question, no i do not believe currently in 2025 frank caruso is kicking money up to sarno, as sarno for certain is BOSS of nothing right now. sarno may continue to exert control from prison to members of his street crew but that is all.
there is also the discussion relating to the rumor sarno was partnered or kicking up to difronzo or andriacchi. so how does one square the belief that sarno was BOSS or acting boss but then also kicking up to other senior outfit members?? if acting boss i suppose sarno would be kicking money up to someone else, marcello, difronzo, andriacchi etc. if he was BOSS then this scenario makes absolutely no sense.
also how does this sarno as boss/acting boss work if, as some believe anthony zizzo was outfit underboss? why wouldnt marcello when imprisoned without bond in april 2005 promote zizzo to acting boss?? would this not insure that moneys owed would continue to be collected by the very man marcello trusted as underboss, a member of melrose park crew that had done time and kept mouth shut, as opposed to sarno at the time only 2 years into promotion as cicero crew capo.
i believe as i have posted, joe andriacchi was underboss when FS came down in april 2005. andriacchi was moved up to acting boss as a way to insure that any other possible indictments coming down likely would not lead back to andriacchi and other admin members. perhaps then this is why zizzo was not promoted to ab, as melrose park crew had been taken off map with FS 2005 indictment, which also included investigation into marcello et al video poker machines."
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If you are going to just use someone else's opinion, the least you could do is credit them by saying where you stole it from (some guy on Gangsterbb). I suppose the quotes are more than I expected.
-The thought is that Sarno was sharing proceeds with DiFronzo because DiFronzo was still consigliere. What type of arrangement they had for money distribution is unknown.
-Chinatown was (at least temporarily) merged into Cicero in the 90s under Monteleone. How long this arrangement continued or whether it is connected to Toots giving money to Sarno is unknown.
-I believe I have seen in court records where Sarno was involved with certain businesses along with Vena, but I cannot find them at this moment.
-Why Zizzo did not become acting boss in place of Sarno is pretty simple: Sarno (allegedly) had him killed. Zizzo was senior to Sarno -- as either capo or acting boss/underboss in the time immediately preceding Family Secrets. By the time Marcello was convicted, Zizzo was already gone and Sarno had (theoretically) obtained control.
-Finally, nobody is arguing that Sarno is the current boss of the Outfit, either. I personally do not think he is. In 2010, though? Yes, I do.