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Re: Thoughts on Gravano

by Nick Prango » Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:09 am

Salvatore Gravano never goes on about the rest of the people he sent to prison for the rest of their lives. He always makes it sound like the only person be put in prison was John Gotti what about all the other guys he ratted on? He always tries to justify being a rat. He is full of shit. Gravano presents himself as a stand up honorable guy. But he is not. There have been many LCN guys who have turned rat in the past four decades (primarily since the early 1980s with the advent of the Rico laws). And admittedly, there have ALWAYS been certain guys who ratted undercover (Lombardozzi, Scarpa, etc), dating back many decades to the 50s, 40s, and earlier. But they were a distinct rarity compared to the huge volume of wiseguys out there operating.

But even today, the VAST majority of Italian American LCN made men and associates, stood up. The overwhelming majority of present day made guys and associates are not rats. In my book they are stand up guys. Not Salvatore the rat Gravano.

Re: Thoughts on Gravano

by Arnold06 » Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:45 pm

Amershire_Ed wrote:He’s telling stories that people are asking for. I’m not defending his exaggerations but the guy’s got 250k YouTube subscribers. If a bunch of them are asking him to tell stories about Greg Scarpa and Roy Demeo, he’s probably gonna do it.

Say what you want about him but he has a legit talent for storytelling. I mean that sincerely. His retelling of his making ceremony was really well done. I don’t care if he wrote about it before, YouTube provides a much more powerful medium. Plus he’s got a better than average production team putting everything together. They make all the other crime shows on YouTube look like they were done by high school kids.
Has anyone else noticed the neon bull logo he used is the Merrill Lynch bull logo?


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Re: Thoughts on Gravano

by Arnold06 » Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:43 pm

LAfarmer108 wrote:
Arnold06 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:09 pm
dack2001 wrote:They would have been backups to the backups as some of the 8 man were already backing up the shooters. They would only be called upon to get out of that car if someone, somehow, gets away on foot. It was 1985. You wouldn't worry about someone iding you because you would be gone as soon as the dust cleared. Besides if the hit failed they were all dead anyway.
Then why not have Gravano in a Russian hat coat too? Especially if he’s carry a .358 magnum, which would be very loud and draw attention? I think it would have been very easy to ID him as he’d be the only one not dressed exactly like the other hitmen but still firing, but again that’s just an opinion.


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In sammys book he says it was john gottis idea to have the hit team wear the Russian hats and trench coats. Sammy didnt know about the disguise according to his book until the day of the hit. He was armed and in the car with Gotti and would take action only if the shooters failed. Him and Gotti were not in disguise.

Im actually surprised they chose to directly supervise the hit. Extremely risky.
I agree with you, it’s always seemed strange to me John would put himself at the scene considering what was at risk.


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Re: Thoughts on Gravano

by Amershire_Ed » Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:48 pm

Gravano is nowhere near the first guy to make that claim about Watts.

Like others have said, take anything that he didn’t testify about or talk to the Feds about with a huge grain of salt. I dunno, to me it seems really easy to tell when he’s trying to be honest and when he’s trying to make himself look good. In one episode he told a story about getting in a fight in the army cafeteria and getting hit upside the head with a lunch tray. In another he talked about Junior Persico scolding him and making him realize he was being a punk. There are some genuine moments of what appear to be attempts at candor.

You just gotta kinda tune out the other stuff. Like when Sammy talks about meeting other wiseguys for the first time, the story always involves the other wiseguy being excessively complimentary to Sammy. It’s always “he told me he heard a lot good things about me. That he heard I was a gentleman...” or some BS like that. To me the puffery is easy to spot. I find his fanboys 1000x more annoying than he is. The ones calling him a “stand up guy” and “true gentleman” in the comments lololol.

Re: Thoughts on Gravano

by NYNighthawk » Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:02 pm

Fuck Gravano. He said he would have shot the two (2) NYPD cops if they did not move away from the Sparks scene before the shooting.

Re: Thoughts on Gravano

by Amershire_Ed » Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:45 pm

He’s telling stories that people are asking for. I’m not defending his exaggerations but the guy’s got 250k YouTube subscribers. If a bunch of them are asking him to tell stories about Greg Scarpa and Roy Demeo, he’s probably gonna do it.

Say what you want about him but he has a legit talent for storytelling. I mean that sincerely. His retelling of his making ceremony was really well done. I don’t care if he wrote about it before, YouTube provides a much more powerful medium. Plus he’s got a better than average production team putting everything together. They make all the other crime shows on YouTube look like they were done by high school kids.

Re: Thoughts on Gravano

by LAfarmer108 » Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:36 pm

Arnold06 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:09 pm
dack2001 wrote:They would have been backups to the backups as some of the 8 man were already backing up the shooters. They would only be called upon to get out of that car if someone, somehow, gets away on foot. It was 1985. You wouldn't worry about someone iding you because you would be gone as soon as the dust cleared. Besides if the hit failed they were all dead anyway.
Then why not have Gravano in a Russian hat coat too? Especially if he’s carry a .358 magnum, which would be very loud and draw attention? I think it would have been very easy to ID him as he’d be the only one not dressed exactly like the other hitmen but still firing, but again that’s just an opinion.


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In sammys book he says it was john gottis idea to have the hit team wear the Russian hats and trench coats. Sammy didnt know about the disguise according to his book until the day of the hit. He was armed and in the car with Gotti and would take action only if the shooters failed. Him and Gotti were not in disguise.

Im actually surprised they chose to directly supervise the hit. Extremely risky.

Re: Thoughts on Gravano

by Browniety86 » Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:25 pm

This last video he did of the Mary Bari murder was a joke. He's just retelling common knowledge, nothing he knew first hand. He already had transferred to the Gambinos when she was killed.

Re: Thoughts on Gravano

by NYNighthawk » Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:40 pm

He knocked Joe the German Watts as an informer in a video recently. Would not be surprised if he or some young buck wanting to make a name for himself takes out the daughter or son. What could Gravano do about it?

Re: Thoughts on Gravano

by Arnold06 » Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:09 pm

dack2001 wrote:They would have been backups to the backups as some of the 8 man were already backing up the shooters. They would only be called upon to get out of that car if someone, somehow, gets away on foot. It was 1985. You wouldn't worry about someone iding you because you would be gone as soon as the dust cleared. Besides if the hit failed they were all dead anyway.
Then why not have Gravano in a Russian hat coat too? Especially if he’s carry a .358 magnum, which would be very loud and draw attention? I think it would have been very easy to ID him as he’d be the only one not dressed exactly like the other hitmen but still firing, but again that’s just an opinion.


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Re: Thoughts on Gravano

by dack2001 » Mon Mar 22, 2021 1:07 pm

They would have been backups to the backups as some of the 8 man were already backing up the shooters. They would only be called upon to get out of that car if someone, somehow, gets away on foot. It was 1985. You wouldn't worry about someone iding you because you would be gone as soon as the dust cleared. Besides if the hit failed they were all dead anyway.

Re: Thoughts on Gravano

by Arnold06 » Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:52 pm

JohnnyS wrote:Take everything he says outside of what he told the feds 30 years ago with a pinch of salt. He's twisting every story to make himself look better and there's nobody to dispute what he says. His fanboys eat up every word that comes out of his mouth.
I even take issue with some of what he’s said 30 years ago, specifically his claims of being at the scene at Sparks. Cosa Nostra news has stated sources claim that may not be the case and I’ve always felt putting Gravano at the scene in a leather jacket with a gun as a backup shooter sounded off especially since the other shooters wore disguises. He’d be picked out by witnesses plus he’s getting out of a car driven by Gotti, the driving force behind the hit. Why have the guy you’re electing boss at the scene with a backup shooter that’s not disguised?


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Re: Thoughts on Gravano

by dack2001 » Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:45 pm

Take any guy in the life trying to make a living on his past with a gigantic grain of salt....it's the easiest hustle ever...who is going to contradict them? Internet fanboys? If they didn't testify to it, when they're life and livelihood depended on their honesty being somewhat verifiable, I wouldn't waste the time. There might be some details that give context to what was previously written but 99% of the audience isn't there for context, which is why the stories now get some added meat.

Re: Thoughts on Gravano

by TallGuy19 » Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:28 pm

I read his book and watched his interview with Diane Sawyer—and beyond that I don't care what he has to say. Just like Michael Franzese, he is going to fabricate stories as he goes on. And while some of his stories might be true, trying to separate the bullshit from the grains of truth is a waste of time. You can get all the information he has to offer from reading his book.

Re: Thoughts on Gravano

by JohnnyS » Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:20 pm

Take everything he says outside of what he told the feds 30 years ago with a pinch of salt. He's twisting every story to make himself look better and there's nobody to dispute what he says. His fanboys eat up every word that comes out of his mouth.

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