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by **Dapper_Don** » Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:11 pm

Pmac2 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:53 pm think i just realized whoever is producing sammys podcast is jacking the background music from the HBO series the leftovers. i knew it sounded familial. wow im a nerd.

that was a good show

by **Pmac2** » Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:53 pm

trademark.......

by **Pmac2** » Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:53 pm

think i just realized whoever is producing sammys podcast is jacking the background music from the HBO series the leftovers. i knew it sounded familial. wow im a nerd.

by **Arnold06** » Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:51 am

funkster wrote:It is odd that Sammy is somehow trying to disassociate himself with having flipped, but he’s always been self serving. Seems to be on an image rehabilitation tour.

I agree he’s rebranding himself. His claim Gotti told him he’d be taking the heat as their defense is laughable and most of his quotes from the YouTube videos sound like bad lines from B grade gangster movies.

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by **davidf1989** » Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:51 am

interesting discussion and what do people make of this article from Jerry Capeci in 2006 about one of Gotti's crew informing the police about what happened in the killing of John Favara?

https://www.nysun.com/new-york/mob-obit ... ain/45135/

by **TommyNoto** » Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:38 pm

Cheech wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:52 pm
TommyNoto wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:54 pm
Tonyd621 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:19 pm
Nick Prango wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:37 am
funkster wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:27 am It is odd that Sammy is somehow trying to disassociate himself with having flipped, but he’s always been self serving. Seems to be on an image rehabilitation tour.
Yeah he portrays himself like a stand up guy, tough mafioso. It is pathetic. He is full of shit.
In the latest video he states how Gotti helped out a friend without even knowing Gravano. Its one of the first things gotti did and the last thing Gravano did for him was fuck him over. Gravano is mentally weak. The whole thing Gravano flipped was bc Gotti talked shit about him on tape and he got upset. Unfortunatley ppl talk shit behind
Each others backs-freinds or not. The mob is not immune to this and rolling bc of it is an even worse excuse. I would of respected him more if he said look, i didnt want to go to prison for the rest of my life. We can all understand that. I mean even Liborio Bellomo was ok with Cafaro Sr being a govt cooperator and Cafaros son is still in the life and still in thr Genoveses to my knowledge.
Gravano acts like he got respect from everything and everyone. From the AB to the blacks to the bikers etc.
Not to change the subject but Tom Cafaro ( Fish son ) was caught on tape with Rubeo talking mob politics and the landfill the Bonnano guy had. It would be really interesting to know whether he is still involved and whether Barney made him. You would have to think Rubeo would only record conversations with criminal liability potential.

I wish we asked Rubeo about him

Apparently he lives in Fl too
agreed, that was a miss

Nah that whole thing was awesome. The kid just couldn’t stay out of trouble . Thanks again

by **Cheech** » Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:52 pm

TommyNoto wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:54 pm
Tonyd621 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:19 pm
Nick Prango wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:37 am
funkster wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:27 am It is odd that Sammy is somehow trying to disassociate himself with having flipped, but he’s always been self serving. Seems to be on an image rehabilitation tour.
Yeah he portrays himself like a stand up guy, tough mafioso. It is pathetic. He is full of shit.
In the latest video he states how Gotti helped out a friend without even knowing Gravano. Its one of the first things gotti did and the last thing Gravano did for him was fuck him over. Gravano is mentally weak. The whole thing Gravano flipped was bc Gotti talked shit about him on tape and he got upset. Unfortunatley ppl talk shit behind
Each others backs-freinds or not. The mob is not immune to this and rolling bc of it is an even worse excuse. I would of respected him more if he said look, i didnt want to go to prison for the rest of my life. We can all understand that. I mean even Liborio Bellomo was ok with Cafaro Sr being a govt cooperator and Cafaros son is still in the life and still in thr Genoveses to my knowledge.
Gravano acts like he got respect from everything and everyone. From the AB to the blacks to the bikers etc.
Not to change the subject but Tom Cafaro ( Fish son ) was caught on tape with Rubeo talking mob politics and the landfill the Bonnano guy had. It would be really interesting to know whether he is still involved and whether Barney made him. You would have to think Rubeo would only record conversations with criminal liability potential.

I wish we asked Rubeo about him

Apparently he lives in Fl too

agreed, that was a miss

by **Stroccos** » Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:44 am

bronx wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 5:10 pm Mexico, never heard that one, europe yes

I guess watts requested to move to Mexico City and live there while on paper from his release from prison doesn’t look like it ever happend

by **Extortion** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:40 pm

I sort of take back what i said...maybe sammy is lying about this...

by **Super** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:16 pm

When tommy was capo who was in his crew his brother Joe, Joe Watts Frank deciccio at one point? Who else.? Imagine if Watts was made would he have been boss instead of Pete ? Not sure if he was in jail at the time.

by **bronx** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:32 pm

bilotti ever talked to watts like that watts would have another body..bilotti was on thin ice after his brother was killed

by **Cheech** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:35 am

bro blah blah blah bro blah blah blah bro

by **gaspipe** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:55 am

Didn't gene just get beat?

by **Nick Prango** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:42 am

Also Gravano shitting on Gotti and Watts having bodyguards in jail and how he never paid anybody to bodyguard him. When you're a snitch who had to testify in multiple high profile cases, you can't brag about not needing protection. Gravano was being protected by the government. Every prison has a place for snitches. Gravano was in those places. He wasn't in general population. Even in Colorado Supermax he was on 23hr lockdown, their whole system is the protection. The guys doing time in Colorado Supermax don't have physical contact with inmates or anyone else.

by **Nick Prango** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:31 am

Pmac2 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:01 am watching his interview about whts sounds like bullshit. hes saying he was told all this info from a agent while he was in adx. heres were timing is key. i thought he didnt go to ADX till he was caught selling drugs after 2000. joe watts plead guilty in 1996 97. also sammys making it sound like fat dom borgese flipped because of watts but agin dom flipped in 1994. he salty about watts

I couldn't agree more. Salvatore Gravano is full of shit. I don't believe anything he says

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