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Re: General Mob Questions

by PolackTony » Sun Nov 03, 2024 10:00 am

Dwalin2014 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2024 9:11 am Anybody knows what's Sonny Franzese's real first name? He is listed as John, but If he was born in Italy, it's unlikely he would have been given an English name. Could it be Giovanni maybe (just a guess)?
Giovanni and John are just versions of the same name.

Sonny Franzese was born Giovanni Francese, in his mother, Maria Romano’s hometown of Saviano (just north of Naples in the Nola district of the old Terra di Lavoro province of Campania; Saviano is next to Scisciano, where the Ebolis were from, and Marigliano, Ritchie Boiardo’s hometown). His father was, of course, Carmine Salvatore “The Lion” Francese, a presumed Camorrista from the neighboring commune of Palma Campania

Re: General Mob Questions

by Dwalin2014 » Sun Nov 03, 2024 9:11 am

Anybody knows what's Sonny Franzese's real first name? He is listed as John, but If he was born in Italy, it's unlikely he would have been given an English name. Could it be Giovanni maybe (just a guess)?

Re: General Mob Questions

by PolackTony » Sat Nov 02, 2024 9:45 am

trafficante wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 6:33 pm What kind of name is "Aladena." I've literally never seen this name anywhere other than Jimmy Fratianno's birth name. Does anyone know where this name even originates? I've always wondered this.
“Aladena” is not an Italian given name, it was a distortion as often happened with Italian given and surnames in the US in the late 19th/early 20th century.

Jimmy Fratianno was born Adelino Fratianni in 1913 in the comune of Ripalimolisani, in the province of Campobasso, Molise (the region of Molise didn’t yet exist as a political entity; at the time Molise was still part of the old Abruzzi region). He arrived in the US in 1914 as an infant with his mother, Maria Concetta Trivisonno, bound for Cleveland’s Eastside Little Italy, where father Antonio Carmine Fratianni had arrived the prior year (almost all of the immigrants from Ripalimolisani in the US settled in Cleveland).

Re: General Mob Questions

by JeremyTheJew » Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:55 pm

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:23 am
JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 7:03 pm Anyone watch GODFATHER OF HARLEM ?

The bumpy Johnson show?? It's pretty much like the Rizzuto show they did where they just completely make events up to the point where it's so fake that it's not fun.

I don't understand why they even would ruin GOOD stories ...

They got chin and bumpy Johnson shooting JOE MAGLIOCCO and putting a knife to JOE BONANNOs throat saying HARLEM is theres now .…
A similar creative/historical atrocity was made with the Bumpy Johnson story back in the 1997 film Hoodlum. Writer Chris Brancato is the common denominator in both.
Ya at least its not like this tho - like hoodlum can be said LOSELY based on true events

This can't even be said for this
Like how roemer has dutch Schultz in shoot outs in LV - same type of shit. and the real stories are better

Re: General Mob Questions

by Wiseguy » Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:23 am

JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 7:03 pm Anyone watch GODFATHER OF HARLEM ?

The bumpy Johnson show?? It's pretty much like the Rizzuto show they did where they just completely make events up to the point where it's so fake that it's not fun.

I don't understand why they even would ruin GOOD stories ...

They got chin and bumpy Johnson shooting JOE MAGLIOCCO and putting a knife to JOE BONANNOs throat saying HARLEM is theres now .…
A similar creative/historical atrocity was made with the Bumpy Johnson story back in the 1997 film Hoodlum. Writer Chris Brancato is the common denominator in both.

Re: General Mob Questions

by JeremyTheJew » Mon Oct 28, 2024 7:03 pm

Anyone watch GODFATHER OF HARLEM ?

The bumpy Johnson show?? It's pretty much like the Rizzuto show they did where they just completely make events up to the point where it's so fake that it's not fun.

I don't understand why they even would ruin GOOD stories ...

They got chin and bumpy Johnson shooting JOE MAGLIOCCO and putting a knife to JOE BONANNOs throat saying HARLEM is theres now .…

Re: General Mob Questions

by trafficante » Mon Oct 21, 2024 6:33 pm

What kind of name is "Aladena." I've literally never seen this name anywhere other than Jimmy Fratianno's birth name. Does anyone know where this name even originates? I've always wondered this.

Re: General Mob Questions

by pat_marcy » Mon Oct 14, 2024 9:19 am

Got confused with the pages so my question is well out of sync and I can’t delete it. Ignore me

Re: General Mob Questions

by pat_marcy » Mon Oct 14, 2024 9:14 am

Was actually wondering about the moustache thing the other day when I seen a pic of angelo Bruno and Sam the plumber (not together) with moustaches. What about the combed back hair? Is that a rule or a myth

Re: General Mob Questions

by B. » Sun Oct 13, 2024 9:53 pm

Technically it was 100% confirmed.

Re: General Mob Questions

by Antiliar » Sun Oct 13, 2024 2:10 pm

JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 10:55 am So what about the Capone plus 9 that were allowed to become officially made ???

We have had lots of threads discussing this ..... So technically it was not confirmed ??

I assumed it came from rohemer talks or something like that
Joe Masseria told Capone he could make ten men. This came from Nick Gentile.

Re: General Mob Questions

by JeremyTheJew » Sun Oct 13, 2024 10:55 am

So what about the Capone plus 9 that were allowed to become officially made ???

We have had lots of threads discussing this ..... So technically it was not confirmed ??

I assumed it came from rohemer talks or something like that

Re: General Mob Questions

by B. » Mon Oct 07, 2024 8:55 am

Yes. Maniaci says Capone was made and promoted to capodecina, just as Gentile did. While Gentile knew Capone personally along with many other 1920s Chicago members, Maniaci knew ex-Chicago members in Milwaukee who were part of these events.

Also Bonanno implies Capone was made after Giuseppe Morello's death, at which point Capone sent gunmen to help Masseria in NYC. Bonanno doesn't say "made", but something like Capone became part of "our world" (the Sicilians) or something to that effect. Capone was likely made a couple of years earlier though, Gentile placing it around 1928.

Re: General Mob Questions

by motorfab » Mon Oct 07, 2024 8:35 am

JoePuzzles234 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 7:26 am
motorfab wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 3:37 am OcSleeper, haha ​​we are foreigners we have the right to be wrong ;)

Yes I think it was indeed Maniaci, for the moment I can't find the doc, but I'll let you know as soon as I get my hands on it
This is the document on Mary Ferrell
You're the man Joe, thanks !

Re: General Mob Questions

by JoePuzzles234 » Mon Oct 07, 2024 7:26 am

motorfab wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 3:37 am OcSleeper, haha ​​we are foreigners we have the right to be wrong ;)

Yes I think it was indeed Maniaci, for the moment I can't find the doc, but I'll let you know as soon as I get my hands on it
This is the document on Mary Ferrell

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