by NickleCity » Sat Mar 06, 2021 5:19 am
gohnjotti wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:31 pm
Frank wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:25 am
If this leads to Todaro Jr indictment, after watching videos of him being pizza owner, I will find it kind of sad, seems like a very nice guy.
Nobody would have their foot in their mouth more than myself if Todaro Jr was arrested. I'm sure NickleCity remembers the toxic back-and-forths between "NickyfromTampa" (me) and the pro-Buffalo players on GangsterBB.
Although, to cut myself a bit of slack, I think Nickle would agree that not everybody in the pro-Buffalo camp was operating on a level playing field. Nickle was the only one who would actually look for evidence, look for clues, make sensible inferences, etc. Some of the other folks on BB were saying that Todaro Jr.'s son ran a huge crew of young guys in Buffalo selling drugs & loansharking, or that Butchie BiFulco was the official boss. All of those things are still as outlandish to me now as they were back then.
Gohnjotti, those were the days... LOL. You and I definitely had a good back and forth. I appreciated the fact that I was met with respect even thought we disagreed. I learned a lot in that exchange. Yes there were some didn't operate from a level playing field, but I learned a lot even wading thru the "outlandish" claims. I expect this. After all we are dealing with a secret society. People hear bits and pieces of things and things get misunderstood.
For example, because I was open to your argument about Big Joe being retired even though most of everything I heard was that he was still the boss, I was open to rumors I had heard about Butch or Sonny running the family too. In fact when I asked a funeral director from Colucci Funeral Homes if Todaro had been at Nicoletti's funeral, he told me no... But went on to say that Butch received a lot of attention from a lot of Canadian guys who were present at the funeral. So if Joe was retired, like you and others said, I couldn't discount the fact that Butch could be boss. It had to be considered in my mind.
But, because I heard from so many other people that Todaro was not retired, I made the inference that Butch must have took over as front boss for Falzone. Remember Fino suggested Falzone had been fronting for the Todaro's in his 2012 book.
Now is any of this true about Butch? I don't know. But I do know this, the more one tries to make sense of what he or she hears, the better he or she understand what is going on. This is why I can't just dismiss "street talk" like some do. "Street talk" has informed a lot of my amateur research. Yes, a lot of this street talk lead to dead ends, but some led to very interesting finds.
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If this leads to Todaro Jr indictment, after watching videos of him being pizza owner, I will find it kind of sad, seems like a very nice guy.
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Nobody would have their foot in their mouth more than myself if Todaro Jr was arrested. I'm sure NickleCity remembers the toxic back-and-forths between "NickyfromTampa" (me) and the pro-Buffalo players on GangsterBB.
Although, to cut myself a bit of slack, I think Nickle would agree that not everybody in the pro-Buffalo camp was operating on a level playing field. Nickle was the only one who would actually look for evidence, look for clues, make sensible inferences, etc. Some of the other folks on BB were saying that Todaro Jr.'s son ran a huge crew of young guys in Buffalo selling drugs & loansharking, or that Butchie BiFulco was the official boss. All of those things are still as outlandish to me now as they were back then.
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Gohnjotti, those were the days... LOL. You and I definitely had a good back and forth. I appreciated the fact that I was met with respect even thought we disagreed. I learned a lot in that exchange. Yes there were some didn't operate from a level playing field, but I learned a lot even wading thru the "outlandish" claims. I expect this. After all we are dealing with a secret society. People hear bits and pieces of things and things get misunderstood.
For example, because I was open to your argument about Big Joe being retired even though most of everything I heard was that he was still the boss, I was open to rumors I had heard about Butch or Sonny running the family too. In fact when I asked a funeral director from Colucci Funeral Homes if Todaro had been at Nicoletti's funeral, he told me no... But went on to say that Butch received a lot of attention from a lot of Canadian guys who were present at the funeral. So if Joe was retired, like you and others said, I couldn't discount the fact that Butch could be boss. It had to be considered in my mind.
But, because I heard from so many other people that Todaro was not retired, I made the inference that Butch must have took over as front boss for Falzone. Remember Fino suggested Falzone had been fronting for the Todaro's in his 2012 book.
Now is any of this true about Butch? I don't know. But I do know this, the more one tries to make sense of what he or she hears, the better he or she understand what is going on. This is why I can't just dismiss "street talk" like some do. "Street talk" has informed a lot of my amateur research. Yes, a lot of this street talk lead to dead ends, but some led to very interesting finds.