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It's been said in different articles that it was was both $400 / month, and also $400 / year. The $400/year thing was what was initially reported back when Tuccio and them first got indicted. "Failing to make a $400 annual payment..."

What would make the most sense, not that it has to make sense, is that if the owner had something worked out to pay what amounted to $400/month in one shot, annually, at the end of the year - a little under $5000. Iggy could have helped the business owner out of a big jam, whether it was a fabricated jam in order to shake the guy down, or a real, legitimate problem. Or, Iggy could have gotten the guy out of a big debt. Or an issue with a vendor. Or an issue with an employee. Hell, Iggy could have donned an apron back in the day and was making pizzas there for free when the guy was trying to get the business off the ground. Or it could have been one of these long standing generational type of tribute payments where back in the day they worked something out in order for the place to open in that specific neighborhood; a territorial thing. But I'm assuming the $400 figure was monthly, lumped together in one payment annually.

I'd bet a million bucks this wasn't a situation where Alogna sent his crew to just walk in and tell the owner 'you're with us now and we'll be back for $400 a month, every month' - the owner probably had a reason to be paying and just ended up balking because he either got tired of it, felt he had paid his debt multiple times over, simply had a bad year, or no longer took serious the people Alogna had on the street for him. But these guys don't pick businesses out of the white pages to start shaking down, almost always we see a reason for it where the owner benefitted from the relationship with LCN at one point in time. It sounds sick, but it's understandable they did what they did. At least they didn't physically hurt or kill the guy or do anything worse to his business. Look what happened to that other Pizza shop owner not too far away in Queens about 10 years ago. Some low rung Gambino associate / drug dealer sent some black kids to rob the weekend receipts and they ended up accidentally killing the old man.

Tuccio did this as a favor trying to impress Iggy. Like any young guy on the street he was trying to build a rep but things went terribly wrong. Although now he’s in jail where there will be plenty of opportunities to show the wiseguys how tough he is.

I agree - no experienced criminal Tuccio was reporting to is going to torch that car.

Is Joe Cafe a rough guy? Penissi makes him out to sound pretty soft.

Now.... did he get TOLD to torch the car??

See... I look at this all as... TUCCI IS A MORON.....and choose to torch it himself and got caught up on this rediculous thing bc it was in fact, rediculous.

Now at the same time.... you got this moron TUCCIO .... who is dick biting and sucking there dicks....
I wouldn't be surprised if they gave him these MINOR MINOR jobs (400 a year...) BECAUSE hes a fool.
Butttt it blew up on them and ended up becoming BIG problems.

Also.... this is probably exactly what someone like Tuccio needs. Joe Merlino did it plenty times.
Maybe hell come out and 10 years from now hes gonna be a capo

BobbyPazzo wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:56 pm

OcSleeper wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:36 pm I thought the same when reading this. Like $400 a year is literally nothing. I get what thevother guy said about the principle but still $400 a year!! Why torch a car when there probably were less risky alternatives but either way one else shitbag on the street

It’s retarded. You’re right. We’re not dealing with a bunch of geniuses here for the most part. Of course there’s an exception with a few guys who are smart and know when it’s time to make a point and time to walk away but obviously this wasn’t that. It just doesn’t surprise me because I’ve met guys who have more money than God but would chase you down for fifty bucks. Them old timers had a package but would cry poverty. Then there’s guys who are broke and are just maniacs. Also someone said crash dummies. That’s exactly it too. Guys know these young guys glorify the life like it’s the fucking Godfather when it’s far from it and no one would piss on you if you were on fire. They use that to their advantage and that’s where a young kid does some shit to be down and gets a dime in the feds for it.

i wish i could type a message this good, i always mess it up

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 6:12 pm

BobbyPazzo wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 4:51 pm

Extortion wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 3:44 pm
Well its mostly the money. They dont have the right to just extort anyone. Therefore the point of “principle” is moot.

Please don’t confuse me saying “it’s the principle” with me condoning their behavior. They do what they want. That’s it. The way they see it is that you owe Money, you didn’t pay, they won’t allow themselves to look like they’re being disrespected or worse that they are an easy mark, so they act irrationally to prove a point. If that doesn’t make sense to you then I don’t know what to tell you. No disrespect but this is why I don’t post much on here anymore. Everyone knows better and has something to say. I give my two cents here and there because I’ve been around a little bit and I’ve seen how these guys operate. Some people want this to make sense but it won’t makes sense to a sensible person because guys in the life are on another planet and do outrageous shit. But you got it pal. Stay safe. God bless.

I agree, well said.

Extortion wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 3:44 pm
Well its mostly the money. They dont have the right to just extort anyone. Therefore the point of “principle” is moot.

These guys would take 40 cents off you a month if it came to that it's a power trip as much as it's about money and sometimes more so.

Yup !

BobbyPazzo wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 4:51 pm

Extortion wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 3:44 pm
Well its mostly the money. They dont have the right to just extort anyone. Therefore the point of “principle” is moot.

Please don’t confuse me saying “it’s the principle” with me condoning their behavior. They do what they want. That’s it. The way they see it is that you owe Money, you didn’t pay, they won’t allow themselves to look like they’re being disrespected or worse that they are an easy mark, so they act irrationally to prove a point. If that doesn’t make sense to you then I don’t know what to tell you. No disrespect but this is why I don’t post much on here anymore. Everyone knows better and has something to say. I give my two cents here and there because I’ve been around a little bit and I’ve seen how these guys operate. Some people want this to make sense but it won’t makes sense to a sensible person because guys in the life are on another planet and do outrageous shit. But you got it pal. Stay safe. God bless.

I agree, well said.

Extortion wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 3:44 pm
Well its mostly the money. They dont have the right to just extort anyone. Therefore the point of “principle” is moot.

These guys would take 40 cents off you a month if it came to that it's a power trip as much as it's about money and sometimes more so.

OcSleeper wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:36 pm I thought the same when reading this. Like $400 a year is literally nothing. I get what thevother guy said about the principle but still $400 a year!! Why torch a car when there probably were less risky alternatives but either way one else shitbag on the street

It’s retarded. You’re right. We’re not dealing with a bunch of geniuses here for the most part. Of course there’s an exception with a few guys who are smart and know when it’s time to make a point and time to walk away but obviously this wasn’t that. It just doesn’t surprise me because I’ve met guys who have more money than God but would chase you down for fifty bucks. Them old timers had a package but would cry poverty. Then there’s guys who are broke and are just maniacs. Also someone said crash dummies. That’s exactly it too. Guys know these young guys glorify the life like it’s the fucking Godfather when it’s far from it and no one would piss on you if you were on fire. They use that to their advantage and that’s where a young kid does some shit to be down and gets a dime in the feds for it.

SolarSolano wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 1:04 pm His uncle should have gone after that Capo who hired him to do that over $400.

Biggest difference with the new mafia imo.

TwoPiece wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 1:49 pm crash dummies

Gene Borrello

I thought the same when reading this. Like $400 a year is literally nothing. I get what thevother guy said about the principle but still $400 a year!! Why torch a car when there probably were less risky alternatives but either way one else shitbag on the street

Bonanno soldier Jack Bonventre was caught on a wiretap saying that if someone owes you a couple thousand dollars, it's better to just forgive the debt than to go after them and risk having them run to law enforcement.

Extortion wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 3:44 pm

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 12:41 pm

BobbyPazzo wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 12:05 pm It’s not the money to these guys , it’s the principle.

Exactly.

Well its mostly the money. They dont have the right to just extort anyone. Therefore the point of “principle” is moot.

Please don’t confuse me saying “it’s the principle” with me condoning their behavior. They do what they want. That’s it. The way they see it is that you owe Money, you didn’t pay, they won’t allow themselves to look like they’re being disrespected or worse that they are an easy mark, so they act irrationally to prove a point. If that doesn’t make sense to you then I don’t know what to tell you. No disrespect but this is why I don’t post much on here anymore. Everyone knows better and has something to say. I give my two cents here and there because I’ve been around a little bit and I’ve seen how these guys operate. Some people want this to make sense but it won’t makes sense to a sensible person because guys in the life are on another planet and do outrageous shit. But you got it pal. Stay safe. God bless.

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 12:41 pm

BobbyPazzo wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 12:05 pm It’s not the money to these guys , it’s the principle.

Exactly.

Well its mostly the money. They dont have the right to just extort anyone. Therefore the point of “principle” is moot.

SolarSolano wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 1:04 pm I think using and manipulating is mafia 101 - these guys are predators. They see weak people like Tuccio and simply use them. His uncle should have gone after that Capo who hired him to do that over $400.

I think there are generations of guys who were once wannabes who did stupid shit and got caught and despite keeping their mouths shut, stayed broke and never went anywhere in the mob. Fish among sharks.

crash dummies

I think using and manipulating is mafia 101 - these guys are predators. They see weak people like Tuccio and simply use them. His uncle should have gone after that Capo who hired him to do that over $400.

I think there are generations of guys who were once wannabes who did stupid shit and got caught and despite keeping their mouths shut, stayed broke and never went anywhere in the mob. Fish among sharks.