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Re: Why don’t the LCN put out hits on people anymore?

by B. » Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:25 am

We see a good deal of beatings, some of them severe, come up in recent cases and investigations. This is my opinion, but most people don't grow up these days getting in as many fights and taking beatings, so I would be willing to bet a beating has a much stronger impact today than it did in decades past. Even in my Dad's high school days there was boxing. You would never have seen that when I was in high school.

The punishment is also much softer than murder, so it seems like the mafia uses this to its advantage. Someone who takes a beating is also less likely to cooperate. I doubt beatings are more common now, only that the mafia may use other physical violence today when in the past the same circumstances would lead to murder.

Re: Why don’t the LCN put out hits on people anymore?

by Extortion » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:37 pm

Btw half of Genoveses interests are legit anyways

Re: Why don’t the LCN put out hits on people anymore?

by Extortion » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:37 pm

gaspipe wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:44 pm Who says they arent tho? The way the west side moves I dont think it's too hard to believe they've slipped a couple thru.
According to some turncoats, the westside is less violent than other families and I believe it. Do they have the ability to do that...Yes...Are they doing that...Maybe but probably not...Its not like the whole family are all genius hitmen but they are of a higher calibur most of time.

Re: Why don’t the LCN put out hits on people anymore?

by Nick Prango » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:20 pm

The famous mob “whacks” of the past drew way too much scrutiny, and forced the FBI to make a show of arresting a few people so that nobody would get suspicious that, God forbid, the FBI is in collusion with organized crime. In the 1970’s murder requires a gun and no witnesses… in the 21st century murder requires months of planning and preparation and even the most careful of Hitmen often get caught these days due to DNA evidence and the fact most major USA cities are gridded out with CCTV.

Re: Why don’t the LCN put out hits on people anymore?

by slimshady_007 » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:59 pm

Nick Prango wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:41 pm If the mob is going to kill someone nowadays its usually a last resort and is very well planned. Take for instance the killing of Bonanno soldier Anthony Seccafico in 2009. The guy was a renegade who didn’t give a fuck about respect, and the newly elected boss or bosses were probably trying to send a message by taking him out. He got clipped at 4 AM at a bus stop and nobody has ever been arrested for it. It looks to me like the perpetrators were very careful with where and how they killed the guy because smoking a guy outside of his house in broad daylight isn’t gunna work like it used to. My point being, Mafiosi are still willing to kill people but only if they are confident that will get away with it.
U copied and pasted my comment from a YouTube video 🤦🏻‍♂️

Re: Why don’t the LCN put out hits on people anymore?

by Nick Prango » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:21 pm

Gabagool718 wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:55 pm
Mustangsally wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:41 pm
Grouchy Sinatra wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:34 pm
HoagieNose wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:18 am You have people like Bent finger Lou walking around, rat Rubeo running his mouth in public, and all these others too. I get that it’s not the 90s anymore, but at a certain point this all looks ridiculous. There’s very little repercussions for these snitches.
Jeez dude. Do you really want to see people get killed?
Comments like that honestly leave me scratching my head. It's as if he has some personal stake in seeing these darn snitches get their comeuppance.

People interested in the genre, whether they want to admit it or not, derive 90% of the information known about LCN from informants. Maybe 10% comes from law enforcement, and what they say usually came from an informant anyway.

But yeah, let's wack these rats and send a message!
Totally agree about deriving info, but let’s be honest if a piece of shit like Alite or gene borello caught a hot one in the back of the head would you really lose sleep over it ? The world sure could use less scumbags, esp these days.
I have read on reddit that people in Ozone Park were pissed when Gene Borrello got let out of prison. Also he likes to provoke other Italian mobsters with his "i am the last violent Italian American in New York, present day LCN are all pussies and non violent" claims. He could be in danger

Re: Why don’t the LCN put out hits on people anymore?

by Gabagool718 » Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:55 pm

Mustangsally wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:41 pm
Grouchy Sinatra wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:34 pm
HoagieNose wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:18 am You have people like Bent finger Lou walking around, rat Rubeo running his mouth in public, and all these others too. I get that it’s not the 90s anymore, but at a certain point this all looks ridiculous. There’s very little repercussions for these snitches.
Jeez dude. Do you really want to see people get killed?
Comments like that honestly leave me scratching my head. It's as if he has some personal stake in seeing these darn snitches get their comeuppance.

People interested in the genre, whether they want to admit it or not, derive 90% of the information known about LCN from informants. Maybe 10% comes from law enforcement, and what they say usually came from an informant anyway.

But yeah, let's wack these rats and send a message!
Totally agree about deriving info, but let’s be honest if a piece of shit like Alite or gene borello caught a hot one in the back of the head would you really lose sleep over it ? The world sure could use less scumbags, esp these days.

Re: Why don’t the LCN put out hits on people anymore?

by HairyKnuckles » Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:29 pm

Mustangsally wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:41 pm
Grouchy Sinatra wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:34 pm
HoagieNose wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:18 am You have people like Bent finger Lou walking around, rat Rubeo running his mouth in public, and all these others too. I get that it’s not the 90s anymore, but at a certain point this all looks ridiculous. There’s very little repercussions for these snitches.
Jeez dude. Do you really want to see people get killed?
Comments like that honestly leave me scratching my head. It's as if he has some personal stake in seeing these darn snitches get their comeuppance.

People interested in the genre, whether they want to admit it or not, derive 90% of the information known about LCN from informants. Maybe 10% comes from law enforcement, and what they say usually came from an informant anyway.

But yeah, let's wack these rats and send a message!
The more the merrier.

Re: Why don’t the LCN put out hits on people anymore?

by Mustangsally » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:41 pm

Grouchy Sinatra wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:34 pm
HoagieNose wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:18 am You have people like Bent finger Lou walking around, rat Rubeo running his mouth in public, and all these others too. I get that it’s not the 90s anymore, but at a certain point this all looks ridiculous. There’s very little repercussions for these snitches.
Jeez dude. Do you really want to see people get killed?
Comments like that honestly leave me scratching my head. It's as if he has some personal stake in seeing these darn snitches get their comeuppance.

People interested in the genre, whether they want to admit it or not, derive 90% of the information known about LCN from informants. Maybe 10% comes from law enforcement, and what they say usually came from an informant anyway.

But yeah, let's wack these rats and send a message!

Re: Why don’t the LCN put out hits on people anymore?

by Grouchy Sinatra » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:34 pm

HoagieNose wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:18 am You have people like Bent finger Lou walking around, rat Rubeo running his mouth in public, and all these others too. I get that it’s not the 90s anymore, but at a certain point this all looks ridiculous. There’s very little repercussions for these snitches.
Jeez dude. Do you really want to see people get killed?

Re: Why don’t the LCN put out hits on people anymore?

by Mustangsally » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:33 pm

NJShore4Life wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:02 pm Tell Gino DiPietro or Rocco Maniscalco in Philly they don’t do hits anymore. Honestly , they still happen just not as often and more get solved. There’s cameras everywhere in 2021, you can’t leave your home without being on camera.
The Dipietro murder was mind numbingly stupid, and I'm quite sure more people will get time for it. It must be a real bitch to be grande, knowing that the FBI and everyone else for that matter knows you did this, and he just has to wait for the shoe to drop.

Re: Why don’t the LCN put out hits on people anymore?

by scagghiuni » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:10 pm

can't kill with impunity like the past is anyway a sign of weakness both in usa and italy, they don't kill so much anymore because they can't
if they could they would continue to do so

Re: Why don’t the LCN put out hits on people anymore?

by Nick Prango » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:09 pm

There’s actually very little law enforcement pressure against the Mafia in USA nowadays. They just changed up tactics and operate correctly......in the shadows. They got smarter and they stopped having hits and mob wars. They try to blend in and go under the radar now.

That means, there will be less heat. If there was ever Gotti-style leadership again, you would see the newspaper headlines come back. All the current Bosses learned how to not act, and newspapers like sexy headlines (murders) and stories.

They still kill people, but it’s kept as a very last resort. It’s far more effective to just intimidate the ever-loving shit out of someone.

Most average Joe’s fall in line with basic intimidation (especially when they know it’s the Mob and can be backed up, if needed).

Also, keeping murders to a minimum means law enforcement really won’t have much reason to target them. Murders were always the main catalyst. Citizens only pressure law enforcement to act when they see murders. Between RICO and surveillance technology the bosses are afraid to talk to anyone. They’re still around but they keep a low profile. But that makes for boring news. In the 1990s everyone was going away for life or flipping and bringing down more people. So LCN guys put the moratorium on hits and will only kill people now if it's absolutely necessary. The last hit in New York was Michael Meldish in 2013 (by the Luchese family). The last hit in Philadelphia was Gino DiPietro in 2012. In 2014/ 2015 DeCavalcante captain Charles Stango tried to get permission to kill soldier Luigi Oliveri but it didn't go anywhere. They'll just chase guys or put them on the shelf now. There has been some other murders that have not been solved though, is it that they do not kill anymore or just do less with a lot more precision.

Re: Why don’t the LCN put out hits on people anymore?

by SB1825 » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:06 pm

Dave65827 wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:47 pm What would benefit them from killing informants after they testify it accomplishes nothing but add more heat. You looking at a death penalty case or life for that and you would definitely flip to save your ass.

Also the majority of informants still enter witness protection for atleast a period of time. Some informants are always going to be in danger like for ex. that one guy Steven Crea gave the “Ok” on.

I also believe one guy got jumped by some Genovese Guys at a festival
That was Joey D’Amico

Re: Why don’t the LCN put out hits on people anymore?

by NJShore4Life » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:02 pm

Tell Gino DiPietro or Rocco Maniscalco in Philly they don’t do hits anymore. Honestly , they still happen just not as often and more get solved. There’s cameras everywhere in 2021, you can’t leave your home without being on camera.

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