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Re: Australian Mafia Hitlist

by furiofromnaples » Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:18 am

MSFRD wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:26 am
furiofromnaples wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:18 am
MSFRD wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:14 am
Nick Prango wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:21 am
MSFRD wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:38 pm Gangitano was not part of any Mafia hitlist; just an underworld hit.
How those scum bags from Williams crew nearly annihilated one of the top crews in Melbourne always ya me baffled.


Are you from Melbourne?
Born and bred!
Yes. Not that that gives me any deeper knowledge on Italian OC in Melbourne or Australia. I have a family member in a certain area of law enforcement which gives me some context outside of what you read in the papers.

Are you italian?
I mean Austrialian of italian heritage.

Re: Australian Mafia Hitlist

by MSFRD » Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:26 am

furiofromnaples wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:18 am
MSFRD wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:14 am
Nick Prango wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:21 am
MSFRD wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:38 pm Gangitano was not part of any Mafia hitlist; just an underworld hit.
How those scum bags from Williams crew nearly annihilated one of the top crews in Melbourne always ya me baffled.


Are you from Melbourne?
Born and bred!
Yes. Not that that gives me any deeper knowledge on Italian OC in Melbourne or Australia. I have a family member in a certain area of law enforcement which gives me some context outside of what you read in the papers.

Are you italian?

Re: Australian Mafia Hitlist

by furiofromnaples » Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:18 am

MSFRD wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:14 am
Nick Prango wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:21 am
MSFRD wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:38 pm Gangitano was not part of any Mafia hitlist; just an underworld hit.
How those scum bags from Williams crew nearly annihilated one of the top crews in Melbourne always ya me baffled.
Are you from Melbourne?
Born and bred!
Are you italian?

Re: Australian Mafia Hitlist

by MSFRD » Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:14 am

Nick Prango wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:21 am
MSFRD wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:38 pm Gangitano was not part of any Mafia hitlist; just an underworld hit.
How those scum bags from Williams crew nearly annihilated one of the top crews in Melbourne always ya me baffled.
Are you from Melbourne?
Born and bred!

Re: Australian Mafia Hitlist

by furiofromnaples » Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:24 am

MSFRD wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:38 pm Gangitano was not part of any Mafia hitlist; just an underworld hit.
How those scum bags from Williams crew nearly annihilated one of the top crews in Melbourne always ya me baffled.
Gangitano was part of the Carlton Crew so he deserve a name in the hitlist.

How those scum bags from Williams crew nearly annihilated one of the top crews in Melbourne always ya me baffled.

Look what happened in montreal where a solid mafia family with strong ties to sicily was decimated after the boss was arrested and extradated in the Usa. They lost the old guard and part of the new guard and the war is still ongoing.
The Carlton Crew is still there but wasnt a typical mafia family just a gang made by italians.

Re: Australian Mafia Hitlist

by Nick Prango » Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:21 am

MSFRD wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:38 pm Gangitano was not part of any Mafia hitlist; just an underworld hit.
How those scum bags from Williams crew nearly annihilated one of the top crews in Melbourne always ya me baffled.
Are you from Melbourne?

Re: Australian Mafia Hitlist

by MSFRD » Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:38 pm

Gangitano was not part of any Mafia hitlist; just an underworld hit.
How those scum bags from Williams crew nearly annihilated one of the top crews in Melbourne always ya me baffled.

Re: Australian Mafia Hitlist

by Nick Prango » Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:50 am

furiofromnaples wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:51 am
Nick Prango wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:06 pm
furiofromnaples wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:54 pm
Nick Prango wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:08 pm In March 2004 Mick Gatto shot and killed Andrew "Benji" Veniamin in the rear of the crowded restaurant, bringing to 22 the number slain by warring crime clans since self-styled godfather Alphonse Gangitano was murdered in January 1998. Gatto was remanded in custody for 15 months. He was found not guilty at trial, during which Gatto claimed he had acted in self-defence after Veniamin pulled out a gun and threatened to kill him. Gatto claimed that during a struggle he was able to turn the gun around on Veniamin and fire one shot into his neck, and one shot in the eye. He also claimed that during the argument, Veniamin had implicated himself in the deaths of Dino Dibra, Paul Kallipolitis and Graham Kinniburgh.
Yes,I discovered the australian mafia thanks to the Underbelly TV series. In an episode is said that Veniamine assaulted Gatto because he didnt pay him for a murder.
,I discovered the australian mafia thanks to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chopper_(film), but I watched the first Underbelly series and thought it was really bad. The real-life story of these gangsters could've been brilliant television but I thought the whole thing was poorly produced and some of the scenes were laughably bad. Home and away with guns.
The first season was aired in 2008 and was banned in state of Victoria because some trial was ongoing. I think that anyway as a serie tv on the melbourne drug trafficking was well made. At the end was small dogs that ate each others for the pills traffick.
Interesting article. Mick Gatto writes about Alphonse Gangitano. https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa/mic ... 5181d2781f

Re: Australian Mafia Hitlist

by Nick Prango » Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:52 am

furiofromnaples wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:54 pm
Nick Prango wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:08 pm In March 2004 Mick Gatto shot and killed Andrew "Benji" Veniamin in the rear of the crowded restaurant, bringing to 22 the number slain by warring crime clans since self-styled godfather Alphonse Gangitano was murdered in January 1998. Gatto was remanded in custody for 15 months. He was found not guilty at trial, during which Gatto claimed he had acted in self-defence after Veniamin pulled out a gun and threatened to kill him. Gatto claimed that during a struggle he was able to turn the gun around on Veniamin and fire one shot into his neck, and one shot in the eye. He also claimed that during the argument, Veniamin had implicated himself in the deaths of Dino Dibra, Paul Kallipolitis and Graham Kinniburgh.
Yes,I discovered the australian mafia thanks to the Underbelly TV series. In an episode is said that Veniamine assaulted Gatto because he didnt pay him for a murder.
Personally i think that it was kill or be killed for Mick Gatto. Carl Williams was exterminating the Carlton Crew guys one by one. They would kill Gatto next. So he lured Andrew Veniamin in La Porchetta restaurant and killed him. He had to do it. He knew he could get away with it. Veniamin was notorious criminal and main hitman for Williams.

Re: Australian Mafia Hitlist

by furiofromnaples » Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:51 am

Nick Prango wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:06 pm
furiofromnaples wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:54 pm
Nick Prango wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:08 pm In March 2004 Mick Gatto shot and killed Andrew "Benji" Veniamin in the rear of the crowded restaurant, bringing to 22 the number slain by warring crime clans since self-styled godfather Alphonse Gangitano was murdered in January 1998. Gatto was remanded in custody for 15 months. He was found not guilty at trial, during which Gatto claimed he had acted in self-defence after Veniamin pulled out a gun and threatened to kill him. Gatto claimed that during a struggle he was able to turn the gun around on Veniamin and fire one shot into his neck, and one shot in the eye. He also claimed that during the argument, Veniamin had implicated himself in the deaths of Dino Dibra, Paul Kallipolitis and Graham Kinniburgh.
Yes,I discovered the australian mafia thanks to the Underbelly TV series. In an episode is said that Veniamine assaulted Gatto because he didnt pay him for a murder.
,I discovered the australian mafia thanks to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chopper_(film), but I watched the first Underbelly series and thought it was really bad. The real-life story of these gangsters could've been brilliant television but I thought the whole thing was poorly produced and some of the scenes were laughably bad. Home and away with guns.
The first season was aired in 2008 and was banned in state of Victoria because some trial was ongoing. I think that anyway as a serie tv on the melbourne drug trafficking was well made. At the end was small dogs that ate each others for the pills traffick.

Re: Australian Mafia Hitlist

by Nick Prango » Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:09 pm

furiofromnaples wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:54 pm
Nick Prango wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:08 pm In March 2004 Mick Gatto shot and killed Andrew "Benji" Veniamin in the rear of the crowded restaurant, bringing to 22 the number slain by warring crime clans since self-styled godfather Alphonse Gangitano was murdered in January 1998. Gatto was remanded in custody for 15 months. He was found not guilty at trial, during which Gatto claimed he had acted in self-defence after Veniamin pulled out a gun and threatened to kill him. Gatto claimed that during a struggle he was able to turn the gun around on Veniamin and fire one shot into his neck, and one shot in the eye. He also claimed that during the argument, Veniamin had implicated himself in the deaths of Dino Dibra, Paul Kallipolitis and Graham Kinniburgh.
Yes,I discovered the australian mafia thanks to the Underbelly TV series. In an episode is said that Veniamine assaulted Gatto because he didnt pay him for a murder.
This is a great documentary about Melbourne Gangland War. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzYOWXDjZlM

Re: Australian Mafia Hitlist

by Nick Prango » Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:06 pm

furiofromnaples wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:54 pm
Nick Prango wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:08 pm In March 2004 Mick Gatto shot and killed Andrew "Benji" Veniamin in the rear of the crowded restaurant, bringing to 22 the number slain by warring crime clans since self-styled godfather Alphonse Gangitano was murdered in January 1998. Gatto was remanded in custody for 15 months. He was found not guilty at trial, during which Gatto claimed he had acted in self-defence after Veniamin pulled out a gun and threatened to kill him. Gatto claimed that during a struggle he was able to turn the gun around on Veniamin and fire one shot into his neck, and one shot in the eye. He also claimed that during the argument, Veniamin had implicated himself in the deaths of Dino Dibra, Paul Kallipolitis and Graham Kinniburgh.
Yes,I discovered the australian mafia thanks to the Underbelly TV series. In an episode is said that Veniamine assaulted Gatto because he didnt pay him for a murder.
,I discovered the australian mafia thanks to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chopper_(film), but I watched the first Underbelly series and thought it was really bad. The real-life story of these gangsters could've been brilliant television but I thought the whole thing was poorly produced and some of the scenes were laughably bad. Home and away with guns.

Re: Australian Mafia Hitlist

by furiofromnaples » Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:54 pm

Nick Prango wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:08 pm In March 2004 Mick Gatto shot and killed Andrew "Benji" Veniamin in the rear of the crowded restaurant, bringing to 22 the number slain by warring crime clans since self-styled godfather Alphonse Gangitano was murdered in January 1998. Gatto was remanded in custody for 15 months. He was found not guilty at trial, during which Gatto claimed he had acted in self-defence after Veniamin pulled out a gun and threatened to kill him. Gatto claimed that during a struggle he was able to turn the gun around on Veniamin and fire one shot into his neck, and one shot in the eye. He also claimed that during the argument, Veniamin had implicated himself in the deaths of Dino Dibra, Paul Kallipolitis and Graham Kinniburgh.
Yes,I discovered the australian mafia thanks to the Underbelly TV series. In an episode is said that Veniamine assaulted Gatto because he didnt pay him for a murder.

Re: Australian Mafia Hitlist

by Nick Prango » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:08 pm

In March 2004 Mick Gatto shot and killed Andrew "Benji" Veniamin in the rear of the crowded restaurant, bringing to 22 the number slain by warring crime clans since self-styled godfather Alphonse Gangitano was murdered in January 1998. Gatto was remanded in custody for 15 months. He was found not guilty at trial, during which Gatto claimed he had acted in self-defence after Veniamin pulled out a gun and threatened to kill him. Gatto claimed that during a struggle he was able to turn the gun around on Veniamin and fire one shot into his neck, and one shot in the eye. He also claimed that during the argument, Veniamin had implicated himself in the deaths of Dino Dibra, Paul Kallipolitis and Graham Kinniburgh.

Re: Australian Mafia Hitlist

by Nick Prango » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:40 am

Only Chopper and Mick Gatto were the only ones left and never got killed. Andrew Veniamin picked the wrong fight when he drew his gun on Mick Gatto. lawyer Nicola Gobbo claimed to police that Mick Gatto was involved in the murder of his underworld mate, Mario Condello, according to documents released by the Lawyer X royal commission.

Condello was ambushed in the driveway of his Brighton home in February, 2006.

The “money man” was slain the night before he was to face trial. His killer remains a mystery.

Gobbo, who repeatedly told Gatto she was not a “dog” — slang for informer — while informing on him, reported to her Victoria Police handlers that Gatto was the key to the Condello hit.

“(Gobbo) believes that hit was arranged by GATTO or sanctioned by him and it was convenient that the murder occurred before his trial where a motive would have been revealed, Gobbo’s police handler wrote in 2008.

Gobbo told her handler “that the shooter was flown in from overseas for the job”.

The Victoria Police “information reports” regarding Gobbo’s claims have been released by the Lawyer X royal commission.

The Purana task force, which investigated Condello’s murder, probed several scenarios.

Carl Williams, who Condello wanted dead, was an obvious suspect even though he was in prison at the time of the hit.

Another person of interest in the probe was alleged Calabrian mafia boss, Tony Madafferi.

Purana task force detectives conducted investigations into the businessman, with police emails in 2014 revealing he had been considered a suspect.

‘‘Tony (Madafferi) is said to be a/the leading Calabrian figure head in Victoria,” senior detective Boris Buick wrote.

“Tony has been subject to many investigations focusing on Italian organised crime … one theory was that Condello was killed on the orders of Tony Madafferi.”

Police considered tapping into a police source to make inquiries about Mr Madafferi but the name of the source has been redacted in documents.

Mr Madafferi, who does not have any criminal convictions, has long been of interest to the force.

Before Condello was gunned down he had become inceasingly religious. There were fears Condello could turn informer as his trial and looming jail sentence approached.

Condello, who was proud of his Calabrian heritage and was a trained lawyer, was drawn to the gangster lifestyle.

Both Gatto and Condello were both linked to the so-called ‘‘Carlton Crew” as Melbourne’s gangland war raged.

Also in the group were underworld figures Alphonse Gangitano, Graham Kinniburgh, Lewis Moran and his sons, Mark and Jason.

All, except Gatto, were murdered.

Williams was investigated over the killings of Kinniburgh, Condello and the three Morans.

Of these, he was convicted of ordering the murders of Lewis and Jason Moran.

Williams was also convicted of ordering the executions of two other drug dealers, Michael Marshall and Mark Mallia.

Gobbo’s intelligence on Gatto did not progress any probe into him despite her efforts to get associates close to him to turn, including Faruk Orman.

Gatto has taken legal action against another media outlet over allegations he was a hit man and a murderer, in a case still before the courts.

Orman was the first man to be released from prison on the Lawyer X principle.

A suspected triggerman in the Condello hit, Rodney Collins, was approached by police in 2018 to make a deathbed confession if he was the shooter.

He declined to talk to them.

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