THE BLACK HAND FORUM

PolackTony wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:20 am

Snakes wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:56 am

SolarSolano wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:05 am What is the source for LaValley being dead? I've heard that multiple times but was told he was shot - never knew if it was BS or not.

I believe Dhamer was living in Park Ridge a few years after Cuatadella had moved out of Park Ridge down to westchester. These guys also wouldn't do a hit in front of a house that wouldn't fit the profile of an Outfit hit since the 1970s - but that said, you never know they are criminals.

I think Fosco mentioned something about LaValley being killed. LaValley did seem like the type of scumbag that would renege on agreements and go back to crime in a different city and wind up getting killed. I haven't seen anything else about it but maybe he was under an assumed name. Fosco knows enough people in the area that it wouldn't be out of the ordinary for word to get back through family or something that LaValley was dead. Maybe Antilliar has seen something?

Fosco claimed in 2010 that LaValley had been murdered in 2009 but didn't go into further detail. Not sure if he mentioned this at another time or elaborated on it.

Also, anyone know if LaValley was Italian at all? Fosco believed that he was French/Irish, but I once met a LaValley in Chicago who claimed to be Sicilian (and I suspect was related to Jimmy), so I wonder if the surname was Anglicized from the original Italian. Having said that, my impression is that it's not unusual for some of these guys who hang around Outfit circles to claim to be Italian or at least "menzas".

Snakes wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:56 am

SolarSolano wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:05 am What is the source for LaValley being dead? I've heard that multiple times but was told he was shot - never knew if it was BS or not.

I believe Dhamer was living in Park Ridge a few years after Cuatadella had moved out of Park Ridge down to westchester. These guys also wouldn't do a hit in front of a house that wouldn't fit the profile of an Outfit hit since the 1970s - but that said, you never know they are criminals.

I think Fosco mentioned something about LaValley being killed. LaValley did seem like the type of scumbag that would renege on agreements and go back to crime in a different city and wind up getting killed. I haven't seen anything else about it but maybe he was under an assumed name. Fosco knows enough people in the area that it wouldn't be out of the ordinary for word to get back through family or something that LaValley was dead. Maybe Antilliar has seen something?

SolarSolano wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:05 am What is the source for LaValley being dead? I've heard that multiple times but was told he was shot - never knew if it was BS or not.

I believe Dhamer was living in Park Ridge a few years after Cuatadella had moved out of Park Ridge down to westchester. These guys also wouldn't do a hit in front of a house that wouldn't fit the profile of an Outfit hit since the 1970s - but that said, you never know they are criminals.

Patrickgold wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:09 am Also, the Dhamer killing happened around the same time of the Zizzo disappeared. We all know Sal Cataudello was a Sarno loyalist. I wonder if this was an attempted retaliation for Zizzo being killed that obviously went wrong.

TommyPastrami wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:06 pm First time poster here.
Have a few additional ones that could be added and some at least worth considering. Others on here can maybe shed more light on some of these

Since Cutler in 98 that haven’t been mentioned;
Feb 2001 – Richard Hauff (65) – gunned down in his steakhouse in Greencastle, IN
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct- ... story.html

Jan 2003 Jesse (Stone killer) Stoneking (56) – big outfit guy in the 70s with the downstate/East St Louis crew. Flipped on a bunch of St. Louis and outfit guys in 82. Wore a wire against Art Berne who led the outfit crew down there (Stoneking was his #2). Stoneking been living under a new name in AZ. This guy named Michael Laurella from IL was with Stoneking driving thru the desert when he says Stoneking shot himself in the head with laurella’s 38 revolver. I believe it was looked at as a very possible homicide but never charged. Stoneking was a serious killer in his day and had been charged with murder more than once.

March 2003 James Mancini (40) – found shot multiple times in the head in his garage in suburban Lyons, worked for AAA Chicago Cartage, investigated as OC tied
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct- ... story.html

Nov 2004 Nick LoCoco (64) – Nick the Stick from Bridgeport caught up in the Hired Truck scandal that bilked City of Chicago out of millions. The fed investigation went pretty high up in the Daley administration and was a major scandal. Hell it has its own Wikipedia page. Shortly after he was indicted he died from head injuries “after falling from a horse” in Will County. There was some additional sketchiness about autopsy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hired_Truck_Program
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi ... story.html
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct- ... story.html

Nov 2006 Gerald Dhamer (48) – neighbor 3 doors down of Sal Cataudella in Park Ridge, shotgunned in his driveway by masked gunman as his wife looked on, investigated as a hit intended for Sal, possibly related to beef over prostitution business
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct- ... story.html

April 2008 James “Buffalo Jim” Barrier (55) in Vegas – GHB and Valium overdose in a motel 2 days after outfit man in Vegas Rick Rizzolo got out of jail for tax charges that Barrier had cooperated with the FBI on. The two had an ongoing feud and Barrier had been getting death threats in the days prior. His friends and fam have pointed a lot of fingers at Rizzolo. Many questions here but outfit related murder appears more likely than not. A fair amount has been written on this… The hooker Barrier had been with that night had left the scene after he died.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Barrier

Sept. 2010 Franko Martinelli (32) – was with Frank Obrochta (Mispelled In article) of P-K crew roughing up an old-timer at the guy’s house on West Huron in the patch, when the guy pulled a gun and shot them both, Martinelli died, Obrochta survived, and was somehow charged with murder. Likely trying to collect a debt at the time.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct- ... story.html

And finally this one I'm least sure about;
June 2012 Ronald Susek (61) – retired Melrose Park cop found shot dead in his backyard, there have been insinuations/chatter this was outfit-tied, but nothing concrete that I'm aware of.


Please add to any of these and/or let me know if I got anything wrong.

Snakes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:59 pm

funkster wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:42 pm Man, I forgot about some of these. As I recall, maybe Fosco?, was certain that the Susek thing was Outfit murder. I vaguely remember someone setting up a pretty amateurish website about it?

You're thinking about the Catalano kid who had the website for him. Unless there was another.

funkster wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:42 pm Man, I forgot about some of these. As I recall, maybe Fosco?, was certain that the Susek thing was Outfit murder. I vaguely remember someone setting up a pretty amateurish website about it?

funkster wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:42 pm Man, I forgot about some of these. As I recall, maybe Fosco?, was certain that the Susek thing was Outfit murder. I vaguely remember someone setting up a pretty amateurish website about it?