by Shellackhead » Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:48 am
SB1825 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:35 am
Shellackhead wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:18 am
slimshady_007 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:14 am
Rat wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:00 am
TallGuy19 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:56 am
Rat wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 8:54 am
It’s weird that you had so many high level guys flipping from 1990-2002
Guys saw the deals that Al D'Arco and Sammy Gravano got and decided that getting killed or spending the rest of their lives in prison didn't make sense.
The passage of the RICO Act and the establishment of WITSEC changed everything for informants. For example, the only thing that Joe Valachi received for his unprecedented cooperation was protection and a slightly larger prison cell.
By contrast, Sammy Gravano was given a slap-on-the-wrist prison sentence, a new identity in a new state, protection for him and his family, and he was allowed to keep a sizable chunk of his blood money.
I may be wrong but it seems like today, we hardly ever see the high-level guys flip.
I think that’s because mobsters nowadays aren’t facing life sentences like they were years ago. Back then in the 90’s- 2000’s, the government was charging high ranking guys left and right with murders, attempted murders, general mob violence etc. Those type of crimes usually lead to long prison sentence and sometimes might even get guys the death penalty. High ranking lcn members don’t flip of their facing 5-10 years, they flip when their facing life or lethal injection.
I think they’re just more careful now and the most they would do is hurt a guy badly or shelve rather than clip them.
Yep, Pennisi said in one of his interviews something along the lines of, “If this was years ago we would kill you” when talking about shelving. So basically they would kill people if they could but since it draws too much heat they just put them on the shelf.
Exactly, as unconstitutional as the RICO laws are, that’s really the governments strongest weapons against organized crime, with 1 indictment you can literally dismantle an entire crew. So they just adapted with the times & stopped killing guys.
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It’s weird that you had so many high level guys flipping from 1990-2002
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Guys saw the deals that Al D'Arco and Sammy Gravano got and decided that getting killed or spending the rest of their lives in prison didn't make sense.
The passage of the RICO Act and the establishment of WITSEC changed everything for informants. For example, the only thing that Joe Valachi received for his unprecedented cooperation was protection and a slightly larger prison cell.
By contrast, Sammy Gravano was given a slap-on-the-wrist prison sentence, a new identity in a new state, protection for him and his family, and he was allowed to keep a sizable chunk of his blood money.
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I may be wrong but it seems like today, we hardly ever see the high-level guys flip.
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I think that’s because mobsters nowadays aren’t facing life sentences like they were years ago. Back then in the 90’s- 2000’s, the government was charging high ranking guys left and right with murders, attempted murders, general mob violence etc. Those type of crimes usually lead to long prison sentence and sometimes might even get guys the death penalty. High ranking lcn members don’t flip of their facing 5-10 years, they flip when their facing life or lethal injection.
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I think they’re just more careful now and the most they would do is hurt a guy badly or shelve rather than clip them.
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Yep, Pennisi said in one of his interviews something along the lines of, “If this was years ago we would kill you” when talking about shelving. So basically they would kill people if they could but since it draws too much heat they just put them on the shelf.
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Exactly, as unconstitutional as the RICO laws are, that’s really the governments strongest weapons against organized crime, with 1 indictment you can literally dismantle an entire crew. So they just adapted with the times & stopped killing guys.