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Re: The Real Thing - Joseph Valachi

by Pogo The Clown » Sat Feb 05, 2022 8:17 am

He was also part of the hit team that killed Al Mineo and Stefano Ferrigno. He also took part in the attempted murder of Paul Gambino.


Pogo

Re: The Real Thing - Joseph Valachi

by davidf1989 » Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:23 am

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:47 am
davidf1989 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:00 pm Thanks Pogo and how many hits was Bender and Valachi involved with?

Don't know about Strollo. Valachi was involved in a few. Going from memory at least 4 or 5. He talks about them in his book. Plus he killed that guy in prison because he thought he was a hitter out to kill him.


Pogo
Here is an article about one of Valachi's hits commissioned by Vito Genovese through Strollo.

https://gangstersinc.org/profiles/blogs ... e-life-and

Re: The Real Thing - Joseph Valachi

by Ed » Fri Feb 04, 2022 6:23 am

davidf1989 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:04 pm
Antiliar wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:49 pm According to one version, Strollo had been lying about Frank Costello to Vito Genovese. Kind of a divide and conquer thing. Then when Vito and Frank were in prison together they talked and compared notes and realized what Strollo had been doing. Then Vito ordered his death.

Yes, Konigsberg was a CI.

Thanks for your message and I guess that Strollo had been a very treacherous man in his day.

So was Konisberg an associate of the Genovese family and a FBI top echelon informant at the same time?
Konigsberg was associated with the Bonannos and Genovese families. As I recall, Konigsberg was arrested and then flipped, but I could be wrong about that. Maybe he supplied Intel secretly for a while beforehand. You can find answers by searching his name at maryferrell.org. As Rick said, he had a lot to say, but you have to read him with caution.

Re: The Real Thing - Joseph Valachi

by axx » Fri Feb 04, 2022 3:12 am

davidf1989 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:39 pm Was Bender killed by Genovese because Vito thought he was part of a conspiracy along with Luciano, Gambino and Costello to set him up on drug charges?
Could be given the fact Bender's disappearance (april 1962) practically coincides with Valachi's death threats. Part of plan to get rid of all suspects who (possibly) put him (Vito) in prison. Whatever he learned in prison beginning of 1962 led to all that. When did Costello and Vito meet in prison? It's been a while since I read Valachi's book, I'm not sure that is even mentioned there.

Re: The Real Thing - Joseph Valachi

by B. » Fri Feb 04, 2022 2:50 am

Another angle that contributed to Bender's murder was his close friendship with Augie Carfano.

Scootch is right about Valachi getting made during the war and not knowing the positions already existed. No question the ranks were in place around the country and they go back to 1800s Sicily. "Capo di decina" was ID'd as a rank in 1870s Palermo and 1880s Agrigento.

Re: The Real Thing - Joseph Valachi

by davidf1989 » Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:04 pm

Antiliar wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:49 pm According to one version, Strollo had been lying about Frank Costello to Vito Genovese. Kind of a divide and conquer thing. Then when Vito and Frank were in prison together they talked and compared notes and realized what Strollo had been doing. Then Vito ordered his death.

Yes, Konigsberg was a CI.

Thanks for your message and I guess that Strollo had been a very treacherous man in his day.

So was Konisberg an associate of the Genovese family and a FBI top echelon informant at the same time?

Re: The Real Thing - Joseph Valachi

by Antiliar » Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:49 pm

According to one version, Strollo had been lying about Frank Costello to Vito Genovese. Kind of a divide and conquer thing. Then when Vito and Frank were in prison together they talked and compared notes and realized what Strollo had been doing. Then Vito ordered his death.

Yes, Konigsberg was a CI.

Re: The Real Thing - Joseph Valachi

by davidf1989 » Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:40 pm

Ed wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:59 am I'm not discounting Konigsberg's version, but this secret recording involving Gyp DeCarlo and Russo states Russo killed Bender or was part of the conspiracy.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 20giancana

Was Konisberg an informant or something?

Re: The Real Thing - Joseph Valachi

by davidf1989 » Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:39 pm

Was Bender killed by Genovese because Vito thought he was part of a conspiracy along with Luciano, Gambino and Costello to set him up on drug charges?

Re: The Real Thing - Joseph Valachi

by Eld » Thu Feb 03, 2022 4:48 pm

Ed wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:59 am I'm not discounting Konigsberg's version, but this secret recording involving Gyp DeCarlo and Russo states Russo killed Bender or was part of the conspiracy.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 20giancana
Good find, considering that it was an important hit it was probably more than three guys involved. Russo might very well have been part of it, he was close to Genovese for one thing. Too bad that the part about Bender is fragmented and that the transcript as it's described as partly inaudible or we might have known more about Russo's involvment. Seems like some pieces are missing.

Re: The Real Thing - Joseph Valachi

by Antiliar » Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:36 pm

Konigsberg was known to embellish the truth.

Re: The Real Thing - Joseph Valachi

by Ed » Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:59 am

I'm not discounting Konigsberg's version, but this secret recording involving Gyp DeCarlo and Russo states Russo killed Bender or was part of the conspiracy.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 20giancana

Re: The Real Thing - Joseph Valachi

by Pogo The Clown » Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:35 am

Great stuff guys. Eboli and DeQaurto as the main killers makes sense since they were both in his crew. That is usually how these hits go down.


Pogo

Re: The Real Thing - Joseph Valachi

by Eld » Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:29 am

According to Harold Konigsberg, Giuseppe Sabato drove Tony Bender to a parking lot in Fort Lee where he was killed by Tommy Eboli and Dominick DeQuatro and that the body was buried on a farm in upstate NY, althrough Konigsberg claimed he wasn't involved himself.

Re: The Real Thing - Joseph Valachi

by Ed » Thu Feb 03, 2022 9:02 am

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:12 pm
davidf1989 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 6:19 pm Was Tony Bender Valachi's boss and who murdered Bender?

Yeah he was Valachi's Capo. As far as I'm aware it is unknown who actually killed him. His body still hasn't been recovered 60 years later.


Pogo
I believe an FBI listening device tied Anthony Russo to Bender's murder.

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