THE BLACK HAND FORUM

Strax wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:23 pm

scagghiuni wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:27 am somebody used riina to kill falcone, borsellino and many others, the 904 slaughters and the ones rome, milan and florence were also plannned by these people (sure some occult masonic lodge, P2 or whatever), call them stupid, okay, but it was not totò riina alone who ordered it, that's100% sure

They are far from stupid , they had their reasons , creating chaos for various reasons. Remember that after Riina's arrest , his house did not have surveillance at one point and when police came back house was empty, they did that to further protect themselves and any evidence of them.

scagghiuni wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:27 am somebody used riina to kill falcone, borsellino and many others, the 904 slaughters and the ones rome, milan and florence were also plannned by these people (sure some occult masonic lodge, P2 or whatever), call them stupid, okay, but it was not totò riina alone who ordered it, that's100% sure

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:26 am So you guys think these people ordered all the EXTRA murders? Like not Falcone and Borsellino, and the "distinguished corpses", all the other mafiosi. To what end? The mafiosi didn't possess state secrets.

What was these peoples actual goal? Just to stop the investigations? Or something deeper? Like Sindonas insane independent Sicily plot? Was that the endgame?

Strax wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:39 am

scagghiuni wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:44 am the fact messina denaro is still in freedom says something anyway, i think only a part of cosa nostra was really damaged not cosa nostra as a a whole; the people who wanted the slaughters (who are not riina or denaro only) are probably in italian parliament at this moment and member of some powerful masonic lodge... i advise you to follow stato-mafia or ndrangheta stragista trials if you understand italian

Exactly, the "real power and real brains" behind the mafia remains untouched. Street guys are easily replaceable, the real change will happen IF they manage to take down the politicians, businessman and other "white collar" criminals. Even if they get arrested they either get released or sentenced to house arrest.

scagghiuni wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:15 am

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:47 pm

scagghiuni wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:44 am

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 6:38 pm Ok then, COLLECTIVE fuckin stupidity, lol

Let me ask you this... do you think the net result of all that carnage was..... good? Was it positive? Did the mafia come out stronger? Or weaker? I mean bro, seriously without the bias....

I respect the Nuvolettas more, they told Riina all that shit was pointless, more to do with gaining favors from politicians, than actual business.

the fact messina denaro is still in freedom says something anyway, i think only a part of cosa nostra was really damaged not cosa nostra as a a whole; the people who wanted the slaughters (who are not riina or denaro only) are probably in italian parliament at this moment and member of some powerful masonic lodge... i advise you to follow stato-mafia or ndrangheta stragista trials if you understand italian

I saw the articles ages ago... it's not new. You just cant convince me the masonry told them to go kill up half the mafia. Falcone, Borsellino, ok. But even that seemed too loud. If they are so powerful, they shoulda found a dozen ways to neutralize these guys.

you followed the trials?

scagghiuni wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:15 am

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:47 pm

scagghiuni wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:44 am

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 6:38 pm Ok then, COLLECTIVE fuckin stupidity, lol

Let me ask you this... do you think the net result of all that carnage was..... good? Was it positive? Did the mafia come out stronger? Or weaker? I mean bro, seriously without the bias....

I respect the Nuvolettas more, they told Riina all that shit was pointless, more to do with gaining favors from politicians, than actual business.

the fact messina denaro is still in freedom says something anyway, i think only a part of cosa nostra was really damaged not cosa nostra as a a whole; the people who wanted the slaughters (who are not riina or denaro only) are probably in italian parliament at this moment and member of some powerful masonic lodge... i advise you to follow stato-mafia or ndrangheta stragista trials if you understand italian

I saw the articles ages ago... it's not new. You just cant convince me the masonry told them to go kill up half the mafia. Falcone, Borsellino, ok. But even that seemed too loud. If they are so powerful, they shoulda found a dozen ways to neutralize these guys.

you followed the trials?

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:47 pm

scagghiuni wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:44 am

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 6:38 pm Ok then, COLLECTIVE fuckin stupidity, lol

Let me ask you this... do you think the net result of all that carnage was..... good? Was it positive? Did the mafia come out stronger? Or weaker? I mean bro, seriously without the bias....

I respect the Nuvolettas more, they told Riina all that shit was pointless, more to do with gaining favors from politicians, than actual business.

the fact messina denaro is still in freedom says something anyway, i think only a part of cosa nostra was really damaged not cosa nostra as a a whole; the people who wanted the slaughters (who are not riina or denaro only) are probably in italian parliament at this moment and member of some powerful masonic lodge... i advise you to follow stato-mafia or ndrangheta stragista trials if you understand italian

I saw the articles ages ago... it's not new. You just cant convince me the masonry told them to go kill up half the mafia. Falcone, Borsellino, ok. But even that seemed too loud. If they are so powerful, they shoulda found a dozen ways to neutralize these guys.

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:47 pm

scagghiuni wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:44 am

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 6:38 pm Ok then, COLLECTIVE fuckin stupidity, lol

Let me ask you this... do you think the net result of all that carnage was..... good? Was it positive? Did the mafia come out stronger? Or weaker? I mean bro, seriously without the bias....

I respect the Nuvolettas more, they told Riina all that shit was pointless, more to do with gaining favors from politicians, than actual business.

the fact messina denaro is still in freedom says something anyway, i think only a part of cosa nostra was really damaged not cosa nostra as a a whole; the people who wanted the slaughters (who are not riina or denaro only) are probably in italian parliament at this moment and member of some powerful masonic lodge... i advise you to follow stato-mafia or ndrangheta stragista trials if you understand italian

I saw the articles ages ago... it's not new. You just cant convince me the masonry told them to go kill up half the mafia. Falcone, Borsellino, ok. But even that seemed too loud. If they are so powerful, they shoulda found a dozen ways to neutralize these guys.

scagghiuni wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:44 am the fact messina denaro is still in freedom says something anyway, i think only a part of cosa nostra was really damaged not cosa nostra as a a whole; the people who wanted the slaughters (who are not riina or denaro only) are probably in italian parliament at this moment and member of some powerful masonic lodge... i advise you to follow stato-mafia or ndrangheta stragista trials if you understand italian

scagghiuni wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:44 am

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 6:38 pm Ok then, COLLECTIVE fuckin stupidity, lol

Let me ask you this... do you think the net result of all that carnage was..... good? Was it positive? Did the mafia come out stronger? Or weaker? I mean bro, seriously without the bias....

I respect the Nuvolettas more, they told Riina all that shit was pointless, more to do with gaining favors from politicians, than actual business.

the fact messina denaro is still in freedom says something anyway, i think only a part of cosa nostra was really damaged not cosa nostra as a a whole; the people who wanted the slaughters (who are not riina or denaro only) are probably in italian parliament at this moment and member of some powerful masonic lodge... i advise you to follow stato-mafia or ndrangheta stragista trials if you understand italian

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 6:38 pm Ok then, COLLECTIVE fuckin stupidity, lol

Let me ask you this... do you think the net result of all that carnage was..... good? Was it positive? Did the mafia come out stronger? Or weaker? I mean bro, seriously without the bias....

I respect the Nuvolettas more, they told Riina all that shit was pointless, more to do with gaining favors from politicians, than actual business.

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 6:38 pm

scagghiuni wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:42 am

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:58 am In Sicily, they cant really even meet without walking into police, Inzerillo wires confirm this. They are still reeling from Riinas stupidity. This is why politically they might have dropped a notch.....

remember that behind the massacres of the 1980s and 1990s there is not only riina/cosa nostra, but very powerful people as freemasons, politiciansa adn businessmen, probably even foreign entity as lybian secret services, the situation is by far more complex than just totò riina reputed stupidity

Ok then, COLLECTIVE fuckin stupidity, lol

Let me ask you this... do you think the net result of all that carnage was..... good? Was it positive? Did the mafia come out stronger? Or weaker? I mean bro, seriously without the bias....

I respect the Nuvolettas more, they told Riina all that shit was pointless, more to do with gaining favors from politicians, than actual business.

@ Strax

I just posted about the Mancusos... how the territory Vibo Valentia had one of the highest concentrations of masonic lodges in Italy. And yet, they were undermined by other Crimines in Calabria. It was pretty interesting, that whole operation.

scagghiuni wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:42 am

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:58 am In Sicily, they cant really even meet without walking into police, Inzerillo wires confirm this. They are still reeling from Riinas stupidity. This is why politically they might have dropped a notch.....

remember that behind the massacres of the 1980s and 1990s there is not only riina/cosa nostra, but very powerful people as freemasons, politiciansa adn businessmen, probably even foreign entity as lybian secret services, the situation is by far more complex than just totò riina reputed stupidity