by Dwalin2014 » Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:03 pm
TallGuy19 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:39 pm
slimshady_007 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:14 pm
TallGuy19 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:38 am
The Colombos would be in much better shape today if Vic Orena had taken over as boss. The third war could have been averted if Carmine Persico had handed the family over to him and worked out an arrangement where he would still receive some type of tribute payment on a regular basis. Orena was a racketeer with a good business sense, and he had the support of the majority of the family. He is exactly the type of boss that a modern-day Mafia family needs—low-key, non-violent, and focused on making money through white collar crime and legitimate businesses.
Orena wasn't a nonviolent guy lol. He had a few guys killed during his reign as AB.
I'm going off of the information in
Deal with the Devil, which disputes Orena's involvement in most of the murders that have been attributed to him.
I know that book questions the involvement of Orena and Amato in the Ocera murder, but if that was the case, why did Bonfiglio (when he was caught on tape) complain about not being rewarded by Amato for his involvement in the murder? That means Amato was involved, but could he have acted without Orena's permission?
Also, there were deaths on both sides in the Colombo war, including the pro-Persico side. Imo it's reasonable to assume Orena was responsible, Scarpa couldn't have possibly done ALL the hits on BOTH opposing sides.
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The Colombos would be in much better shape today if Vic Orena had taken over as boss. The third war could have been averted if Carmine Persico had handed the family over to him and worked out an arrangement where he would still receive some type of tribute payment on a regular basis. Orena was a racketeer with a good business sense, and he had the support of the majority of the family. He is exactly the type of boss that a modern-day Mafia family needs—low-key, non-violent, and focused on making money through white collar crime and legitimate businesses.
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Orena wasn't a nonviolent guy lol. He had a few guys killed during his reign as AB.
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I'm going off of the information in [i]Deal with the Devil[/i], which disputes Orena's involvement in most of the murders that have been attributed to him.
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I know that book questions the involvement of Orena and Amato in the Ocera murder, but if that was the case, why did Bonfiglio (when he was caught on tape) complain about not being rewarded by Amato for his involvement in the murder? That means Amato was involved, but could he have acted without Orena's permission?
Also, there were deaths on both sides in the Colombo war, including the pro-Persico side. Imo it's reasonable to assume Orena was responsible, Scarpa couldn't have possibly done ALL the hits on BOTH opposing sides.