THE BLACK HAND FORUM

PolackTony wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 6:51 pm

funkster wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:57 pm Btw, Richard's at it again. Getting some press here locally for allowing people to drink inside despite COVID restrictions.

To no one's great surprise. As soon as Chicago started locking down in March I assumed Richard's would carry on as usual lol.

Cheech wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:04 am In 6 months Hailbritian will make a thread about Peter Difronzo dying

funkster wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:57 pm Btw, Richard's at it again. Getting some press here locally for allowing people to drink inside despite COVID restrictions.

Snakes wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:28 pm

funkster wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:11 am Ah. Maybe I just havent noticed.

This is probably a tough ask, but any of you hardcore researchers (Snakes?) can estimate ow many major RICO indictments involving the Outfit came down through the years? I'm guessing the majority came in early and mid 80s.

Major RICO indictments? I'll give it a whirl. This doesn't include gambling cases for guys like Cortina or Angelini or stuff like Arnold and Grieco obstruction of justice from 1980. I also did not include Rudy Fratto, Matassa, or other small cases that were not tried as Outfit or Outfit-controlled operations. Did not include Harry Aleman murder trial as that was not tried as a RICO case. Most of the below were, I believe:

1981: Tony Accardo and Al Pilotto labor racketeering case
1982: Joey Lombardo and Allen Dorfman bribery
1983: Tony Spilotro Vegas racketeering case
1983: Casino skim case involving Aiuppa, Cerone, LaPietra, Lombardo, and Spilotro
1985: Joseph DiVarco racketeering case
1988: Albert Tocco racketeering case
1990: Ferriola Street Crew
1990: "Operation Safebet" (Outfit Prositution, credit card scam; involved Victor Spilotro)
1990: Pat Marcy and Fred Roti
1991: Chicago Heights street crew (Palermo, Guzzino, et. al.)
1991: Lenny Patrick (Gus Alex) Street Crew
1992: Rincon Indian Reservation, California (Carlisi, DiFronzo, et. al.)
1992: Sam Carlisi Street Crew
1993: Michael Castaldo (this was somewhat minor but I went ahead threw it on here)
1993: 26th Street Crew (Joseph LaMantia)
1994: Marco D'Amico Street Crew
1995: Frank Calabrese Street Crew
1999: Anthony Centracchio
2002: Cicero public corruption (Betty Loren-Maltese, Mike Spano, et. al.)
2005: Family Secrets
2009: Mike Sarno

Maybe I'm forgetting something obvious but those seem to be the major ones.

Antiliar wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:20 pm

funkster wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:20 pm Something happen to Wemette? Havent seen him spam the fb pages in awhile.

He still posts everyday or almost everyday, usually at night. He posted yesterday.

funkster wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:20 pm Something happen to Wemette? Havent seen him spam the fb pages in awhile.

funkster wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:11 am Ah. Maybe I just havent noticed.

This is probably a tough ask, but any of you hardcore researchers (Snakes?) can estimate ow many major RICO indictments involving the Outfit came down through the years? I'm guessing the majority came in early and mid 80s.

funkster wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:20 pm Something happen to Wemette? Havent seen him spam the fb pages in awhile.

SolarSolano wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:28 am Agreed - I've always felt the crews in Chicago were very much like different families - some interacted, many didn't.

I would only add however, that Nick C didn't seem much of a 'go-getter' like his brother - who certainly knew everyone in various crews or at least who other made guys were - that is clear from the video recordings of convos with his son where he talks about Joey West/East and Spilotro, Centracchio and some of these other guys. Some of these made guys were real earners who went out and made connections - other guys like Nick seem to have just sat back and did what they were told. Nick was a worker - not an earner - I don't think the workers were told much.

Nick also said he knew the Spilotros who worked for Lombardo, right? Jimmy was clearly - Jimmy Legs D'Antonio. I think Cozzo was more of a lackey.

funkster wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:36 pm

SolarSolano wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:28 am Agreed - I've always felt the crews in Chicago were very much like different families - some interacted, many didn't.

I would only add however, that Nick C didn't seem much of a 'go-getter' like his brother - who certainly knew everyone in various crews or at least who other made guys were - that is clear from the video recordings of convos with his son where he talks about Joey West/East and Spilotro, Centracchio and some of these other guys. Some of these made guys were real earners who went out and made connections - other guys like Nick seem to have just sat back and did what they were told. Nick was a worker - not an earner - I don't think the workers were told much.

Nick also said he knew the Spilotros who worked for Lombardo, right? Jimmy was clearly - Jimmy Legs D'Antonio. I think Cozzo was more of a lackey.

Yep, with you. I think it depended on who you were.

Oddly, when asked directly about Grand he doesn't mention the Spilotros. He simply says he knew Lombardo was the "capo" and that there were some other guys whose names he didnt remember or know. Said he thought one of them was named "Jimmy" who was a tall guy. Clearly referring to Legs.

SolarSolano wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:28 am Agreed - I've always felt the crews in Chicago were very much like different families - some interacted, many didn't.

I would only add however, that Nick C didn't seem much of a 'go-getter' like his brother - who certainly knew everyone in various crews or at least who other made guys were - that is clear from the video recordings of convos with his son where he talks about Joey West/East and Spilotro, Centracchio and some of these other guys. Some of these made guys were real earners who went out and made connections - other guys like Nick seem to have just sat back and did what they were told. Nick was a worker - not an earner - I don't think the workers were told much.

Nick also said he knew the Spilotros who worked for Lombardo, right? Jimmy was clearly - Jimmy Legs D'Antonio. I think Cozzo was more of a lackey.