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by **thesociety 89** » Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:47 am

Detroit have a zip crew

by **newera_212** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:33 pm

Pmac2 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:25 pm Is barney b Sicilian? I think I read he spoke it to in a all times article. I mean hes american but I think all the family's have guys that are sicilian and speak it. I mean that doesn't make you a zip. Abunch of the colombos around tommy shots where born over there he just recruited them to his crew. Thinking of that does big dinosaurs calabro get deported for killing a nyc cop. I mean hes out didnt even get 10yrs behind bars and still on american soil

nope. unfortunately not. that’d be more than fair for him if he got deported, but the government sentenced him to what amounted to a little over time served, after he was in a snitch prison for 8’ish years, and bombed it on the stand at a few big trials.

after he got out he moved to Naples, FL where his wife and his kids moved to. im not sure if he’s with his wife anymore, and his kids are grown and out of the house, but they’re all in Naples now.

I wouldn't be surprised if Competiello was down there as well, but i also heard a rumor he was back on long island (dunno how true that one is though)

they’ve been deporting people who have been here for decades paying taxes with kids here, so someone like Calabro and his family would be ripe to get kicked the fuck out and never allowed back in. wouldnt mind seeing that

by **TommyGambino** » Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:36 am

Have in the inzerillos still not been sentenced?

by **CabriniGreen** » Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:14 am

Eline2015 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 7:03 pm I think that Tommy Gambino, arrested with inzerillos in Palermo in 2019, is new Cali

That's how it looks to me too. Hes the liaison. It's interesting because hes a made Gambino, yet he seems to be completely absorbed in Inzerillo family business.

by **CabriniGreen** » Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:13 am

JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:23 pm Wait a minute.... wtf.....

We went from heated debates over whether Frank cali was technically UB or AB or apparently Consigliere
...

Then John Gambino is the true boss.... etx....

To both are now front bosses ??

Wow a lot changes in a year when someone does

Yall get too hung up on rank... I'm not talking about Cali being A Front boss.

Check the excerpt... I'm talking about Cali brokering a deal with Gianni Nicci for cocaine for the entirety of the Sicilian mafia, yet, on wiretaps, the bosses in Sicily say they are using the INZERILLOS connections. So to me, hes clearly " fronting" for the Inzerillos, shielding them from arrest, not that hes a front boss.

In the excerpt, it says Cali put them in contact with a Miami based trafficker with Venezuelan connections, when the hell did Cali forge ties to South American narcos, the fuck over there in Brooklyn, right? But we know John, the Inzerillos, the Caruanas- Cuntreras were all partners in Venezuelan corporations @ mafiastudent, yes you are correct.

It was pretty clear to me that hes inherited connections from Gambino, and through his marriage to the Inzerillos. These connections are a source of power, you see Cali forge ties to the whole mafia, it was so important it made the Coleonesi rule almost obsolete.

by **CabriniGreen** » Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:01 am

mafiastudent wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:06 am
CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:45 am
CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:37 am B. found this, after seeing this I was more convinced than ever ......

The Italian authorities suspected it involved drug trafficking. Mafia leaders in Porto Empedocle were recorded around the same time discussing how the return of the Inzerillos meant they would be able to deal much larger quantities of drugs through the Inzerillos' ties. The Old Bridge document mentions these Porto Empedocle mafia conversations in context with Inzerillo's Canadian contacts.

This was important to me, because it confirmed that these were the original connections forged by the Inzerillos back in the early 70s.... like Cali inherited these connections from John Gambino, who got them from partnerships with the Inzerillos and the Caruana- Cuntreras.

The Porto Empedocle connection stands out, as Gambino member Paul Semplice's family is from Porto Empedocle and he has visited there in recent years. He is a member of Lorenzo Mannino's decina, which is also tied closely to the Inzerillos. Semplice was doing business with Ontario-based Bonanno member Vincenzo Morena during Morena's cooperation.

Heres a link from Federico Vareses book, detailing Old Bridge events. Notice how Cali can negotiate 500 kilos from Venezuela, at 5000 a ki. The BEST price.....This was what the bosses in Porto Empedocle meant, but it's not really Calis connections, it's the Inzerillos, who used John Gambino as their front man. Cali was the successor to John in a lot of ways.....Cali didnt have any deep ties to South America, lol all of this was through the Inzerillos.....

These connections are key to why the Inzerillos were allowed to return, just as they were the cause of their exile in the first place. At first they didnt share, they learned from their mistakes.......

https://books.google.com/books?id=d5NOD ... la&f=false
I don't know if I necessarily buy that John was only a front man. I'll have to read it more closely. I only say that because according to Mannoia it was John, Salvatore Inzerillo, and Bontate who were working together manufacturing heroin. Plus the fact that John had the Cuntrera connections and was on all the same boards as them in various corporations there with all these other powerful guys with the main goal of heroin trafficking.

Just my thoughts. I haven't read the book you mentioned or even the excerpt yet.

Front might be inaccurate, POINT man then........ althought I DO think front man is accurate in describing Cali and the Inzerillos.... he used to shield them from exposure..... hes basically John's successor, I saw John as being a little more plugged into Sicily...... a bit more powerful than Cali...

by **Eline2015** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 7:03 pm

I think that Tommy Gambino, arrested with inzerillos in Palermo in 2019, is new Cali

by **Pmac2** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:26 pm

Auto corrects

by **Pmac2** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:25 pm

Is barney b Sicilian? I think I read he spoke it to in a all times article. I mean hes american but I think all the family's have guys that are sicilian and speak it. I mean that doesn't make you a zip. Abunch of the colombos around tommy shots where born over there he just recruited them to his crew. Thinking of that does big dinosaurs calabro get deported for killing a nyc cop. I mean hes out didnt even get 10yrs behind bars and still on american soil

by **JeremyTheJew** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:23 pm

Wait a minute.... wtf.....

We went from heated debates over whether Frank cali was technically UB or AB or apparently Consigliere
...

Then John Gambino is the true boss.... etx....

To both are now front bosses ??

Wow a lot changes in a year when someone does

by **mafiastudent** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:07 am

JohnnyS wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:06 am
CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:52 am
Eline2015 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:57 pm I think that Cal was just a puppet for Giovanni Gambino
A front man.... I would agree. Puppet might be harsh...
Agreed. In my opinion John Gambino was the most powerful when he was alive. I think he was the main reason why Cefalu, Cali and eventually Mannino had the top positions.

Probably why Rosario and Joe wanted to call their new restaurant that was never built in Cherry Hill - Don Giovanni.

by **mafiastudent** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:06 am

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:45 am
CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:37 am B. found this, after seeing this I was more convinced than ever ......

The Italian authorities suspected it involved drug trafficking. Mafia leaders in Porto Empedocle were recorded around the same time discussing how the return of the Inzerillos meant they would be able to deal much larger quantities of drugs through the Inzerillos' ties. The Old Bridge document mentions these Porto Empedocle mafia conversations in context with Inzerillo's Canadian contacts.

This was important to me, because it confirmed that these were the original connections forged by the Inzerillos back in the early 70s.... like Cali inherited these connections from John Gambino, who got them from partnerships with the Inzerillos and the Caruana- Cuntreras.

The Porto Empedocle connection stands out, as Gambino member Paul Semplice's family is from Porto Empedocle and he has visited there in recent years. He is a member of Lorenzo Mannino's decina, which is also tied closely to the Inzerillos. Semplice was doing business with Ontario-based Bonanno member Vincenzo Morena during Morena's cooperation.

Heres a link from Federico Vareses book, detailing Old Bridge events. Notice how Cali can negotiate 500 kilos from Venezuela, at 5000 a ki. The BEST price.....This was what the bosses in Porto Empedocle meant, but it's not really Calis connections, it's the Inzerillos, who used John Gambino as their front man. Cali was the successor to John in a lot of ways.....Cali didnt have any deep ties to South America, lol all of this was through the Inzerillos.....

These connections are key to why the Inzerillos were allowed to return, just as they were the cause of their exile in the first place. At first they didnt share, they learned from their mistakes.......

https://books.google.com/books?id=d5NOD ... la&f=false

I don't know if I necessarily buy that John was only a front man. I'll have to read it more closely. I only say that because according to Mannoia it was John, Salvatore Inzerillo, and Bontate who were working together manufacturing heroin. Plus the fact that John had the Cuntrera connections and was on all the same boards as them in various corporations there with all these other powerful guys with the main goal of heroin trafficking.

Just my thoughts. I haven't read the book you mentioned or even the excerpt yet.

by **CabriniGreen** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:45 am

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:37 am B. found this, after seeing this I was more convinced than ever ......

The Italian authorities suspected it involved drug trafficking. Mafia leaders in Porto Empedocle were recorded around the same time discussing how the return of the Inzerillos meant they would be able to deal much larger quantities of drugs through the Inzerillos' ties. The Old Bridge document mentions these Porto Empedocle mafia conversations in context with Inzerillo's Canadian contacts.

This was important to me, because it confirmed that these were the original connections forged by the Inzerillos back in the early 70s.... like Cali inherited these connections from John Gambino, who got them from partnerships with the Inzerillos and the Caruana- Cuntreras.

The Porto Empedocle connection stands out, as Gambino member Paul Semplice's family is from Porto Empedocle and he has visited there in recent years. He is a member of Lorenzo Mannino's decina, which is also tied closely to the Inzerillos. Semplice was doing business with Ontario-based Bonanno member Vincenzo Morena during Morena's cooperation.

Heres a link from Federico Vareses book, detailing Old Bridge events. Notice how Cali can negotiate 500 kilos from Venezuela, at 5000 a ki. The BEST price.....This was what the bosses in Porto Empedocle meant, but it's not really Calis connections, it's the Inzerillos, who used John Gambino as their front man. Cali was the successor to John in a lot of ways.....Cali didnt have any deep ties to South America, lol all of this was through the Inzerillos.....

These connections are key to why the Inzerillos were allowed to return, just as they were the cause of their exile in the first place. At first they didnt share, they learned from their mistakes.......

https://books.google.com/books?id=d5NOD ... la&f=false

by **CabriniGreen** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:37 am

B. found this, after seeing this I was more convinced than ever ......

The Italian authorities suspected it involved drug trafficking. Mafia leaders in Porto Empedocle were recorded around the same time discussing how the return of the Inzerillos meant they would be able to deal much larger quantities of drugs through the Inzerillos' ties. The Old Bridge document mentions these Porto Empedocle mafia conversations in context with Inzerillo's Canadian contacts.

This was important to me, because it confirmed that these were the original connections forged by the Inzerillos back in the early 70s.... like Cali inherited these connections from John Gambino, who got them from partnerships with the Inzerillos and the Caruana- Cuntreras.

The Porto Empedocle connection stands out, as Gambino member Paul Semplice's family is from Porto Empedocle and he has visited there in recent years. He is a member of Lorenzo Mannino's decina, which is also tied closely to the Inzerillos. Semplice was doing business with Ontario-based Bonanno member Vincenzo Morena during Morena's cooperation.

by **JohnnyS** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:06 am

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:52 am
Eline2015 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:57 pm I think that Cal was just a puppet for Giovanni Gambino
A front man.... I would agree. Puppet might be harsh...

Agreed. In my opinion John Gambino was the most powerful when he was alive. I think he was the main reason why Cefalu, Cali and eventually Mannino had the top positions.

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