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by **SonnyBlackstein** » Sat Jul 23, 2022 9:39 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNz8k11 ... rioPodcast

June 22nd interview with Cutolo Jnr. (Havent seen)

by **Dapper_Don** » Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:17 pm

Speaking of Cutolo Jr, on that podcast he has he told a story about a sitdown he had with Jackie Nose, Frank Cali, IIRC Cutolo Sr was also there at a restaurant in Bay Ridge (wont mention the name). This restaurant is still around and a very popular longtime neighborhood spot, went a few months back to get takeout (no indoor dining allowed and it was cold as heck that day), while i waited inside i never noticed it before (cause its always crazy packed) that they have old pics of Cutolo Sr/other guys on the walls.

by **Dapper_Don** » Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:08 pm

cutolo sr was slippery/slick guy in his time

"Russo became involved in the Colombo family war immediately upon his
release from prison in 1992. (Id. at 34.) Notably, in or around 1993, Persico faction leaders
Persico Sr., Chucky Russo, Jo Jo Russo and Joseph Monteleone, Sr. were arrested, along
with Persico faction associate Frank Sparaco. (Id.)

At some point in 1992 or 1993, Russo and Colombo family associates Guerra,
Tarantola, Danny Persico (the defendant’s cousin and Persico, Jr.’s brother), Anthony
Ferrara and Eric Curcio developed a plan to murder Cutolo. (Id. at 34-35.) Russo and
Guerra apprised the defendant of their plan, including by telling the defendant they had
almost killed Cutolo on two occasions. (Id. at 35.)

After Russo began plotting to murder Cutolo, the defendant asked him to meet
Curcio, who “had a line” on Scopo, which Russo understood to mean that Curcio knew
where Scopo was and that Russo and others should “do what we had to do” to murder Scopo.
(Id. at 36.) Curcio was a Colombo family associate who claimed to be related to Joseph
Monteleone, Sr. (Id. at 36-37.) Russo agreed to meet Curcio, and Russo wanted to murder
Scopo to help the Persicos maintain control of the crime family as well as to advance within
the crime family himself. (Id. at 37-38.) "

by **newera_212** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:14 pm

gohnjotti wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:51 pm And yeah, not really the most riveting Q&A. If you are able to stay in touch with him, I might be able to come up with some interesting questions based on his specific time with the Cutolo crew (which was mostly after the Colombo war). Any questions about the Colombo war will be based on second-hand information.

It's not like Cutolo Jr. was really "in the know" about crime family affairs, because even his dad didn't even really trust him. He stole a bunch of his dad's money and fled to some Caribbean island while his dad was fighting the trial of his life. It's been ages since I read the Allie Boy trial's testimony, but I remember it came out during the cross-examination of Peggy Cutolo and Barbara Cardinale. Bill Jr. himself wasn't called to testify because he was deemed too untrustworthy and I believe he had some mental health issues as well.

However, Bill Jr. was back in his dad's good books by the late '90s, and he may have some great insight and street knowledge into how the family was rebuilding during that time. It's probably pointless to ask him about the administrative affairs of Andy Russo and Tommy Gioeli and Allie Persico and Co., but I'm sure he would have a pretty good idea of the balance of power in Brooklyn during the late '90s. There's quite a few gaps in my knowledge of the Colombo family's hierarchy during that time, since the family completely reshuffled after the war due to general attrition, deaths, imprisonment, etc.

where did you read the Ally Junior trial testimony? was that just out there, or did you need a pacer account?

by **SonnyBlackstein** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:11 pm

gohnjotti wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:27 pm
CornerBoy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:33 am Does he still see Big Dom and Rico?
He sent them to prison. I doubt they're on the greatest terms.

The fuck you’ve been?!

Glad to have you back mate. Much missed.

by **JeremyTheJew** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 3:16 pm

gohnjotti wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:51 pm And yeah, not really the most riveting Q&A. If you are able to stay in touch with him, I might be able to come up with some interesting questions based on his specific time with the Cutolo crew (which was mostly after the Colombo war). Any questions about the Colombo war will be based on second-hand information.

It's not like Cutolo Jr. was really "in the know" about crime family affairs, because even his dad didn't even really trust him. He stole a bunch of his dad's money and fled to some Caribbean island while his dad was fighting the trial of his life. It's been ages since I read the Allie Boy trial's testimony, but I remember it came out during the cross-examination of Peggy Cutolo and Barbara Cardinale. Bill Jr. himself wasn't called to testify because he was deemed too untrustworthy and I believe he had some mental health issues as well.

However, Bill Jr. was back in his dad's good books by the late '90s, and he may have some great insight and street knowledge into how the family was rebuilding during that time. It's probably pointless to ask him about the administrative affairs of Andy Russo and Tommy Gioeli and Allie Persico and Co., but I'm sure he would have a pretty good idea of the balance of power in Brooklyn during the late '90s. There's quite a few gaps in my knowledge of the Colombo family's hierarchy during that time, since the family completely reshuffled after the war due to general attrition, deaths, imprisonment, etc.

Yes I talk with him thru IG so if you want come up w a better QnA I should have waited for you anyways.

And it deff seemed he was more comfortable with questions not involving his family where he did the "yes no no maybe" answers.

I liked how he said he thought Cacace as a iron boss

But also...
As far as him not knowing decent mafia history.... I'm almost CERTAIN he does....

My grandfather was purple gang type and a bookie here and he told me tons of stories just as my dad had etc.

And hes a JNR. I'm sure they talked about history....

by **Mikeymike12** » Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:40 pm

Who was his dad close with in other families ?

by **gohnjotti** » Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:51 pm

And yeah, not really the most riveting Q&A. If you are able to stay in touch with him, I might be able to come up with some interesting questions based on his specific time with the Cutolo crew (which was mostly after the Colombo war). Any questions about the Colombo war will be based on second-hand information.

It's not like Cutolo Jr. was really "in the know" about crime family affairs, because even his dad didn't even really trust him. He stole a bunch of his dad's money and fled to some Caribbean island while his dad was fighting the trial of his life. It's been ages since I read the Allie Boy trial's testimony, but I remember it came out during the cross-examination of Peggy Cutolo and Barbara Cardinale. Bill Jr. himself wasn't called to testify because he was deemed too untrustworthy and I believe he had some mental health issues as well.

However, Bill Jr. was back in his dad's good books by the late '90s, and he may have some great insight and street knowledge into how the family was rebuilding during that time. It's probably pointless to ask him about the administrative affairs of Andy Russo and Tommy Gioeli and Allie Persico and Co., but I'm sure he would have a pretty good idea of the balance of power in Brooklyn during the late '90s. There's quite a few gaps in my knowledge of the Colombo family's hierarchy during that time, since the family completely reshuffled after the war due to general attrition, deaths, imprisonment, etc.

by **gohnjotti** » Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:37 pm

dack2001 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:49 am Ask him what else Persico and DeRoss did to make it known to Cutolo Jr. that they were responsible? It seems to be there had to be other signs in the street other than DeRoss digging through the house for loan shark records....

I believe everybody knew he'd be hit. There was testimony in Allie's trial from a DeCav captain, Gambino capo Mikey DiLeonardo, and others, all of whom had a suspicion that Cutolo would be hit ever since he began "strutting around" like the boss due to Allie's impending sentencing. Plus, DeRoss' behaviour shortly after the hit appeared to spark the suspicions of Cutolo Jr., even if it didn't immediately spark the suspicions of the rest of Cutolo Jr.'s family.

The only logical explanation for Wild Bill being unaware of his impending death is his closeness to DeRoss, and DeRoss' closeness to Allie. He must've been convinced that his best pal DeRoss had successfully bridged the gap between the Persicos and the Cutolo crew.

In fact, even in Cutolo Jr.'s tapes with Peggy and DeRoss and Barbara Cardinale (Wild Bill's daughter), Peggy makes references to how she knew Persico had ordered the hit, and DeRoss tries to diffuse it. DeRoss doesn't explicitly disagree with Peggy on the tape, he just tries to stress how he will take care of their family.

by **gohnjotti** » Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:27 pm

CornerBoy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:33 am Does he still see Big Dom and Rico?

He sent them to prison. I doubt they're on the greatest terms.

by **outfit guy** » Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:25 am

He doesn't know anything. He's a hanger-on - at best- that befriended his father's younger friends. His access to people is through his father; no one pulled scores with him. Does he even have a proffer agreement?

by **JeremyTheJew** » Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:44 am

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:36 pm Yeah.

“Maybe”
“No”

..... no answer....

Thanks for the attempt JTJ but what a waste of time.

Thanks Willy

Lol for real
....
For the record tho....
He did like all my hip hop promos and me at radio station pics and commented on buncha of then sonic really thought hed be a lil more helpful lol.

He answered your Joel Cacae question tho...

by **Adam** » Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:34 am

Thanks though. I did appreciate the Cacace response. It's why I asked. His mob career is fascinating and I'm curious on how people who actually know him think about what happens now that he's out if prison.

by **SonnyBlackstein** » Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:36 pm

Yeah.

“Maybe”
“No”

..... no answer....

Thanks for the attempt JTJ but what a waste of time.

Thanks Willy

by **JeremyTheJew** » Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:33 pm

Shellackhead wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 5:22 pm
JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 5:07 pm Aware of dad actions being pro Orena.

No??

Aware of any role dad played disappearance....

Maybe.... (his.face not mine)

Sooo... heres a bunch of questions that Black Hand Forum wanted to ask:

1.Did Billy Jr ever personally know Tommy Gioeli?

No
2.IS he aware of his dads motivations for being pro orena?
No??
3.is he aware of any role his dad played in the disappearance jimmy angelino in the late 80’s?

Maybe

4.did he ever know Cacace? Any insights if he thinks Cacace would still try and be involved now that he's out?

5.do you still see Big Dom and Rico??

6. Ask him what else Persico and DeRoss did to make it known to Cutolo Jr. that they were responsible? It seems to be there had to be other signs in the street other than DeRoss digging through the house for loan shark records....

7.What was his impression of Andrew Didonato? Was his book accurate?

Who is black Dom?? Many different rumors about him.

‐------

1-No
2- No?
3- Maybe ...
4- YES!!!n Yesss J. He ALWAYS thought of himself as an Iron Boss...
Hope this helps...

My Kindest Brother Always,
Bill

5- No, I haven’t..
6- NOBODY else even Attempted to Go thru my mothers home besides the FBI
7- Andrew and I are/ALWAYS Will Be BROTHERS...his book was accurate...can’t say anything he wrote was false...
8- an Inner Circle Friend. ALWAYS had Our Backs. Dom Only did 1 thing to PISS ME OFF...but it was LONG AGO...
Man needs to elaborate. Wtf is that?

Seriously.. that's why I was like maybe I didnt ask the right questions lol

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