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Re: Montreal war biggest example of how the lcn has fallen?

by B. » Sun Sep 06, 2015 2:56 pm

Here's a theory I just want to throw out there. Maybe it can be disproven, maybe not...

What if Montagna was on record with Sciascia pre-2000? Though he was known as capo of the Montreal crew, the Bronx-based Sciascia had associates in NY as well. I have to wonder if Montagna was connected to him and if Sciascia's death caused Montagna to be put with DeFilippo. It would mean that Montagna was technically a part of the same crew as the Montreal guys going back to the 90s.

Re: Montreal war biggest example of how the lcn has fallen?

by Lupara » Fri Sep 04, 2015 12:35 pm

If Magaddino's behaviour wasn't jealousy, then I don't know what is.

Re: Montreal war biggest example of how the lcn has fallen?

by dixiemafia » Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:08 am

Yea they definitely feuded without a doubt. Dumbass Bill even blamed Maggadino for something on one of these documentaries that are floating around. They all claim it started when Joe was given his family and Maggadino was jealous but that was Joe/Bill's claims. As we all know there, we could probably poke holes in both sides theories honestly.

Re: Montreal war biggest example of how the lcn has fallen?

by B. » Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:53 am

Lupara wrote:It seems Magaddino was quite the troublemaker with a huge ego. He must have been frustrated that he had to leave New York and seeing the larger Castellammarese group prosper under Maranzano and his younger cousin.
Yeah, Joe Bonanno twisted some things in his book to make himself look better, but I was surprised how spot on he was about Magaddino once I got a chance to see those transcripts. He thought that the Bonannos had a huge wedding for Bill Bonanno as a personal insult to Magaddino. Pretty much anything he didn't like was interpreted as a personal insult.

Re: Montreal war biggest example of how the lcn has fallen?

by Lupara » Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:45 am

It seems Magaddino was quite the troublemaker with a huge ego. He must have been frustrated that he had to leave New York and seeing the larger Castellamarese group prosper under Maranzano and his younger cousin.

Re: Montreal war biggest example of how the lcn has fallen?

by B. » Wed Sep 02, 2015 8:59 am

Lupara wrote:Maranzano and Magaddino were rivals, or do you mean Bonanno?
Yeah, Maranzano and Magaddino had some kind of rivalry. Not enemies but Joe Bonanno talks about it and Magaddino himself seems to confirm it in wiretaps.

Re: Montreal war biggest example of how the lcn has fallen?

by Lupara » Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:30 am

Maranzano and Magaddino were rivals, or do you mean Bonanno?

Re: Montreal war biggest example of how the lcn has fallen?

by B. » Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:48 pm

There are more questions than answers about the formation of the Montreal crew. There were Castellammare settlers in that area and the Maranzanos had ties there. I have to believe that there was some relationship farther back than the 1950s when Galante is said to have gone there and claimed it. By that time the connection seems to have nothing to do with Castellammare aside from Galante's family being from there, but it seems very possible to me that the Sicilian element in Montreal had known members of the Bonanno family.

Magaddino, another from Castellamare, claimed that he was in Montreal before the Bonanos. Hard to say how that relates to Maranzano's ties there... there could be a connection just as easily as not since the two were said to be rivals.

Re: Montreal war biggest example of how the lcn has fallen?

by Lupara » Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:01 am

Chris Christie wrote:
Lupara wrote:
scagghiuni wrote:
Lupara wrote:It is well documented that the Montreal crew consisted of aproximately 20 made members. There are probably a couple Sicilian and Calabrian mafiosi operating in Montreal who belong to other families, but even then the total numbers of fully inducted members of the Mafia in Montreal would probably not be more than a couple dozen.
that's what sal vitale said i think that after the murder of sciascia (1999) they made several others and anyway they have a huge number of associates if they are so strong in montreal
It comes from various sources such as FBI files dating from the 1960s, Paolo Violi and Vito Rizzuto, who told Vitale that there were 19 members after Sciascia's death. As far as associates, it is estimated that there are as many as 500. I've composed a list of well over 200 people who are currently involved.
Probably not everyone, but I'll ask anyway: do we know who is Sicilian and who in Calabrese in that 200? Thanks.
I'd only know the background of some of the more well known guys, but I have mostly been just collecting the names. However, I seems that the Sicillians form the biggest group within the Italian community in Montreal, particulary those hailing from the province of Agrigento. That possibly also explains why Rizzuto was able to reclaim his position.

Re: Montreal war biggest example of how the lcn has fallen?

by Angelo Santino » Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:41 pm

Lupara wrote:
scagghiuni wrote:
Lupara wrote:It is well documented that the Montreal crew consisted of aproximately 20 made members. There are probably a couple Sicilian and Calabrian mafiosi operating in Montreal who belong to other families, but even then the total numbers of fully inducted members of the Mafia in Montreal would probably not be more than a couple dozen.
that's what sal vitale said i think that after the murder of sciascia (1999) they made several others and anyway they have a huge number of associates if they are so strong in montreal
It comes from various sources such as FBI files dating from the 1960s, Paolo Violi and Vito Rizzuto, who told Vitale that there were 19 members after Sciascia's death. As far as associates, it is estimated that there are as many as 500. I've composed a list of well over 200 people who are currently involved.
Probably not everyone, but I'll ask anyway: do we know who is Sicilian and who in Calabrese in that 200? Thanks.

Re: Montreal war biggest example of how the lcn has fallen?

by Lupara » Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:06 pm

scagghiuni wrote:
Lupara wrote:It is well documented that the Montreal crew consisted of aproximately 20 made members. There are probably a couple Sicilian and Calabrian mafiosi operating in Montreal who belong to other families, but even then the total numbers of fully inducted members of the Mafia in Montreal would probably not be more than a couple dozen.
that's what sal vitale said i think that after the murder of sciascia (1999) they made several others and anyway they have a huge number of associates if they are so strong in montreal
It comes from various sources such as FBI files dating from the 1960s, Paolo Violi and Vito Rizzuto, who told Vitale that there were 19 members after Sciascia's death. As far as associates, it is estimated that there are as many as 500. I've composed a list of well over 200 people who are currently involved.

Re: Montreal war biggest example of how the lcn has fallen?

by SonnyBlackstein » Sun Aug 30, 2015 4:16 pm

I'm almost afraid to ask, but who's the new avatar pogo?

Re: Montreal war biggest example of how the lcn has fallen?

by scagghiuni » Sun Aug 30, 2015 12:51 pm

Lupara wrote:It is well documented that the Montreal crew consisted of aproximately 20 made members. There are probably a couple Sicilian and Calabrian mafiosi operating in Montreal who belong to other families, but even then the total numbers of fully inducted members of the Mafia in Montreal would probably not be more than a couple dozen.
that's what sal vitale said i think that after the murder of sciascia (1999) they made several others and anyway they have a huge number of associates if they are so strong in montreal

Re: Montreal war biggest example of how the lcn has fallen?

by scagghiuni » Sun Aug 30, 2015 12:49 pm

Lupara wrote:It is well documented that the Montreal crew consisted of aproximately 20 made members. There are probably a couple Sicilian and Calabrian mafiosi operating in Montreal who belong to other families, but even then the total numbers of fully inducted members of the Mafia in Montreal would probably not be more than a couple dozen.
that's what sal vitale said i think after the murder of sciascia (1999) i'm sure they made several others and anyway they have a huge number of associates if they are so strong in montreal

Re: Montreal war biggest example of how the lcn has fallen?

by joeycigars » Sat Aug 29, 2015 8:36 pm

B. wrote:
Chucky wrote:
B. wrote:There was misinformation about Montagna early on that said he was just a Basciano crony whose promotion was symbolic of how far down the Bonannos had gone. People on the Real Deal jumped on this bandwagon and it was in other places too. Now it's clear that Montagna was an aggressive and resourceful leader in his own right. We have seen what he was capable of in Montreal where his mob ties were loose at best, so I hope we learn more about what he was like in NYC where he had more resources and support. The book isn't closed on him.
I don't know too much about NY other than what I read here, but I remember this theory out there that Montagna was just some flunky and would be a non-factor once he was deported. I think the only guy on RD attempting to get behind a Montagna takeover theory was JoeyCigars and everybody laughed at him saying he was an asshole and that no one in Canada gave a fuck about Montagna, not saying he had any inside knowledge though. I remember thinking at the time that this Montagna couldn't have become a major player at such a young age if he wasn't a serious guy himself, but I think a lot of people really bought into the "Sixth Family" shit and looked at Montagna, or any other Bonannos guy, as a doofus in comparison to the all-powerful & all-knowing Montreal guys.
There were a few of us that were open to the idea that Montagna would get involved in Montreal, but it was all just guesswork on everyone's part. Especially Joey ;)

People were saying Montagna was just a flunky even when he was named acting boss around 2006. Hoping we get more info on what he was up to in NY between 2006 and 2009.
I learned more about Canada then I bargained for on the "Flunky iron worker with out a family " thread , Then the war started to heat up , the longest on going thread I seen on the Mafia with tons of great info and day to day updates on a ongoing Mafia war Classic .... (Props to all posters involved )

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